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Burnout: A Serious Health Destroyer - Michael Levitt

Burnout: A Serious Health Destroyer - Michael Levitt

Michael experienced a life-threatening event from burnout. The doctor said he is lucky to be alive. What is burnout? It is when you work so many hours without any breaks and your body gives out. Sometimes the give-out is death so it is critical that we pay attention and become kinder to ourselves. That is what Michael Levitt does. He does public speaking to organizations and teams. He also wrote a book: Burnout Proof to discuss relatively simple things you can and should do to prevent burnout. COVID escalated an all too prevalent problem. Without a doubt, you will want to listen to this podcast and get some tips. If Michael resonates with you, here's how you can reach out to him.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:07.320 Hey, Dr g here. Thank you for listening to moving up stream without 2 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:11.119 a paddle. I would like to work with businesses, authors, coaches and 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:15.960 the like who understand the importance of shifting perspectives to obtain the results we're looking 4 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:19.800 for. And please to announce that moving up stream without a paddle is now 5 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:24.879 offering commercial spots to be air during the episodes. If you believe your organization 6 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:29.079 would benefit from advertising on the PODCAST, I would love to have you be 7 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:33.880 a part of this continuously growing show. Let's get connected and inspire the world 8 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:41.479 together. How's it going everybody? I am back again and this time with 9 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:46.799 my guest, Michael let it. Michael is a the founder and chief burnout 10 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:51.840 officer of the breakfast leadership network. That's the San Diego and Toronto based burnout 11 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:57.799 media firm. He is a keynote speaker, he hosts of the breakfast leadership 12 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:03.759 show, the certified MLP and CBT therapist, a fortune five hundred consultant and 13 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:08.159 the author of the new book burnout proof. And I'm excited to have this 14 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:12.120 conversation because burnout the big thing. It's a huge thing in the world today 15 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.879 and it's a good thing to talk about so we will be having that conversation 16 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:22.079 with Michael coming up right after this. Welcome to moving up stream without a 17 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:26.359 paddle, the podcast that helps develop a mindset for success. I'm your host, 18 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:30.760 Dr Garrett Coggins, but most people call me Dr G. I dedicated 19 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.359 in my life to helping others understand that if you have the proper mindset, 20 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:41.359 you can propel yourself up that proverbial stream with no paddle needing. After constantly 21 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:45.959 feeling like you're going against the flow, but you're never happy with your results, 22 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.879 it's really time to flip your mindset. If that's something that you're ready 23 00:01:49.920 --> 00:02:07.879 to do, you've come to the right place. Now let's get to it. 24 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:12.759 Hello, Michael, welcome to the show. Great to be with you. 25 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.120 Dr G. I'm a platter to have you. So how are you 26 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:21.080 doing? Is this a good Monday for you? It is a great Monday 27 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.360 for me. The Sun is out, it's warm outside, so it feels 28 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:29.120 great thinking about doing the show outside, but there's too much noise. It 29 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:31.360 sound quality to be horrible for a show like this, so I thought, 30 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:36.159 well, we'll go indoor, so I'll get plenty of outdoor time today. 31 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.199 Yeah, definitely am outdoor time is a good thing to do. So I'm 32 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:44.599 anxious to get started on this because I there's a lot talk through, you 33 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.840 know, my inner circles and people outside of that that are really in that 34 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:53.280 burnout stage. Covids really messed with some people and they're just and you would 35 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.840 think that just working in general would burn you out, but there's so many 36 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:00.759 aspects of life that can they can cause that burnout. So what I like 37 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.199 to do is just, if you don't mind, I'm just give you center 38 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.039 stage and let you talk about where it is you do and why you do 39 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.879 it and how you got there, and then what does the conversation go from 40 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:14.599 there? Sounds Great. You have. Burnout is definitely impacting a lot of 41 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:21.039 people and it's been amplified during this pandemic. And I was initially wrong on 42 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.280 my assessment about that, because I thought when everyone was sent home back in 43 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:28.960 March of two thousand and twenty two work remotely, I thought that maybe, 44 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:35.520 just maybe, people would work little bit less hours in a day and start 45 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.000 getting a little bit more harmony about their life. And I was completely wrong 46 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:43.439 on that assessment because the opposite happened. People started working more hours, which 47 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.719 is really problematic. But you burn out as one of those things that has 48 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.599 been around for a long time. It has. It's not something that just 49 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.960 popped up during this pandemic. There was a book that was actually published in 50 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:58.800 the late s titled Burnout, so it's been around for a long time, 51 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.919 but it's definitely taken a toll for the worst over the last few years for 52 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.479 sure, and of course this pandemic is amplified it now. How I got 53 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:12.960 into the burnout story and how I got into this work was my own personal 54 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.439 experience with burnout, which was pretty catastrophic for me. Back in two thousand 55 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:23.319 and seven I was hired as a healthcare executive just outside of Windsor, Ontario, 56 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:28.000 Canada, a dual citizen, originally grew up in Michigan and immigrated to 57 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:30.439 Canada in two thousand and four. Became am a citizen in two thousand and 58 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.439 eleven, which allows me to joke and say I can vote and screw up 59 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.439 two countries, but then I leave it there. I don't tell people who 60 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:42.160 I vote for because half your audience to be mad at me. So so 61 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.519 I don't want you know I we all want to get a lot. We 62 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.879 all have you know our pluses and some things we could improve on. But 63 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:55.040 but this role was much like a start up and was start up health organization, 64 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.360 but I was an employee, but I was treating it as if it 65 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:02.199 was my business. In a lot of entrepreneurs put in some insane hours, 66 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:06.000 and I did. I was working basically six am to eleven pm, seven 67 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:10.959 days a week, and I did that for two solid years and that really 68 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:15.160 took a toll on me, both mentally and physically during that time. Because 69 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.879 you're working all those hours, you're not getting in a lot of activity and, 70 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:23.360 as you know, many people know and recognize, when you're an executive, 71 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:27.199 you tend to get the really good parking spot where you work, so 72 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.560 you're not walking very far to get into your workplace and my clinic at the 73 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:36.160 time was rather small, so I wasn't getting in any steps at all, 74 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:40.680 which I think a lot of people you know, may be encountering during this 75 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:45.319 pandemic as well, because we're not walking around our office, we're walking around 76 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:48.759 our house and tends to be a little bit smaller, unless you have a 77 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:53.399 really big home, and congratulations, but for most of us we're not getting 78 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:59.160 in the activity and I certainly wasn't, and my nutrition plan was basically breakfast, 79 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.560 lunch and dinner, ordering food through a microphone and driving around the corner, 80 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.759 paying for it and getting handed a brown bag. I wasn't eating anything 81 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:11.879 that had any nutritional value and at all. You all came to crashing halt 82 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.160 and may have two thousand and nine. We're over a period of three hundred 83 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.199 sixty nine days, so from May two thousand and my Usan may two thousand 84 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:24.439 and nine, to May two thousand and ten, the following happened. I 85 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:29.160 had a heart attack that should have killed me, and then seventeen weeks later, 86 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.480 I lost my job during the great recession. Then a few months later, 87 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.959 my car was repossessed and then finally, in May two thousand and ten, 88 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:40.920 my home was foreclosed. All those things happened to me in a year, 89 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.680 and every one of those things happened because I was burned out. When 90 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.120 you're not taking care of yourself and you're not really getting the amount of sleep 91 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:53.839 you need to get eating well, getting some activity and you start making mistakes 92 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:58.959 at work, you stress out, you're working too many hours and it, 93 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.519 you know, nearly cost me of my life. The cardiology just to put 94 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:06.040 the stents in my left interior to sending artery, which has a nickname in 95 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:11.040 the cardiology world. It's called the widow maker because usually, if you have 96 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.759 blockages in that artery and you have a heart attack, statistically speaking, most 97 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:21.439 people die. Now, thankfully I didn't. But before he performed the procedure, 98 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:25.000 you know, he looked at me and he said, you don't know 99 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.439 how lucky you are to be alive right now. And then I look back 100 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.319 at him and I see, I see you hip the betside manner course in 101 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:35.759 your medical career, and he laughed. I laughed and you know, then 102 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:41.399 they needed the procedure and and all of that good stuff, but at the 103 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:46.879 end of the day I was very fortunate to be alive and after experiencing all 104 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.839 of those losses, the thing that you really hit home for me as I 105 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:56.399 had a couple choices. I could one continue down the path of living the 106 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.839 way that I was living, which nearly killed me, or I needed to 107 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.399 make some pretty significant adjustments in my life. But I didn't know what those 108 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.040 adjustments were. I didn't know what I needed to do. So I had 109 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.079 to do a deep, dark, quite frankly, dark when you go in, 110 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:16.759 you're basically doing an autopsy on yourself while you're still alive, and that 111 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.439 was an interesting adventure for me. I mean in my only regret is I 112 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:22.519 didn't work with a therapist by doing it. I think it would have been 113 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.759 a little bit easier for me if I would have done that, but I 114 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.879 did. I did go through that exercise and you had to reevaluate everything in 115 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:35.840 my life, you know, my who I believed in, who was in 116 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.039 my family, who was in my circle of friends? Why were things important 117 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.480 to me? Why was it important for me to work all those hours? 118 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.639 What was I trying to prove, and all of those things, you know, 119 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.759 we're all put out on the table for me to dissect. Now. 120 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.519 I think that I did have a couple good advisors and I told them what 121 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.159 I was doing and I said won't first thing is first, do not be 122 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.080 judgmental about yourself. You're just observing, you're looking at it, you're going, 123 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.399 okay, this is what I did. Okay, does that serve me 124 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.080 going forward? If no, then then don't do that. Do something different. 125 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:15.840 And it was. It was a really beneficial exercise. And before we 126 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:20.679 go much further, I want to warn everybody. But Ninety nine percent of 127 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.039 the people that I've encountered that burnout do not need to reinvent their life. 128 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.639 So I don't want you thinking, oh great, I'm burned out, so 129 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.120 that means I have to change everything, including my favorite sports team. No, 130 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.480 you don't have to do that. Most people just have to make some 131 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:39.080 simple adjustments in a few places which will make a big difference and helping you 132 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:46.679 reduce your stress, because burnout is prolonged stress coupled with fatigue. You're overwhelmed, 133 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.960 you're unable to meet demands and life and you just you, you just 134 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:56.399 can't do anything anymore. You're almost paralyzed by all the stress and all that. 135 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:00.480 So that's how burnout became part of my life. And then, after 136 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:05.360 recovering from all of that and reinventing my life, I went back into healthcare. 137 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.200 My parents wanted to have me committed because they thought I was crazy to 138 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.000 go back into the field that nearly killed me, and I said I'm going 139 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:15.399 to do this differently, and I did, and I was back in that 140 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:20.919 career for almost a decade and then, you know, I was looking around 141 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.879 and started noticing a lot of my colleagues and the healthcare sector. We're going 142 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.639 down the same road that I did and it alarmed me and I thought, 143 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.480 Oh, this is not good, because I know the challenges that healthcare faces. 144 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:39.080 I know what society needs from healthcare and we need more healthcare people and 145 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.320 not less. So I thought I need to do something about that. So 146 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.879 I started talking with people and start doing a little bit more research on burnout 147 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:50.360 in was alarmed at the numbers that I was seeing, even in the you 148 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.639 know, mid you know two thousand and sixteen. You know the stats that 149 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.759 I was seeing then. We're alarming and you know they're there catastrophic now from 150 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.600 what everything I'm seeing. So I thought, okay, I need to do 151 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:09.240 something about this. My experience can prove beneficial in having communication with people because 152 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.120 I can say look, this is what could happen to you. I don't 153 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.799 want that for you. Here's what I did to get back to normal. 154 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.600 And then here in the things that I've implemented in my life to make sure 155 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:26.519 that I never burn out again, and I haven't burned out since that, 156 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.080 you know, stage and back in two thousand and nine, because I know 157 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:31.480 what the signs are, you know what the fatigue feels like. I know 158 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.159 what the stress feels like. So I've got all kinds of warning lights to 159 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.679 go off and kind of like on your car, when all the lights are 160 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.080 going off, you need to bring in the mechanic. Thankfully, for me 161 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.919 it's just usually an indicator going okay, I need to take a step back 162 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:50.360 here because I'm feeling a little under or overwhelmed I should say, in a 163 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.600 particular moment time. So let's take a step back and look at things and 164 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.679 see how they're doing. So they launched my business because of all the work 165 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:03.120 and search, I didn't think there's a lot here, so I started writing 166 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.039 a lot and launched my own show, the breakfast leadership show, about four 167 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:13.960 years ago and started speaking on stages and it's taken off from there. So 168 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.480 it's definitely keeping me somewhat out of trouble working in in the burnout space. 169 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:24.120 For sure. Yeah, there's there's there's a lot to unfold there. But 170 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:30.919 this, I think that this this thing that people feel like, and I 171 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.120 fall into this a lot and I like to say that I have a little 172 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.840 bit more of an awareness, but even I will go into this idea that 173 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.399 I have to do more I have to do more. I have to do 174 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:46.399 more, and I think that a big shift for me was I was reading 175 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.360 and in you square, the book, You Square, where he says you 176 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.639 can only do so much right, you can only try so hard, you 177 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:58.600 can only work so hard and it gets to a point where it starts becoming 178 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:03.000 counter productive. And that's like what we're this is what we're talking about here, 179 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.320 that you know, when we when we stretch ourselves to a limit, 180 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.080 that it becomes unhealthy, it becomes very kind of productive. And but just 181 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.559 like you were saying with your story, that when you get these health concerns 182 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.679 and you're not doing anything, if you're in the hospital having, you know, 183 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:24.399 surgery for a heart attack. So so, what's that? What's that 184 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.000 going to be looking like for everybody else in here? So what to me, 185 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:31.159 my question, I guess the first question is what's what's the first step? 186 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.000 I mean take the inventory and then when you take that invatory, is 187 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:39.600 it now is a task management? Is it? What after the inventory piece, 188 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.360 what's that next step to really say okay, let's and I love how 189 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:48.840 you digress a little bit. I love how you said that you don't have 190 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.440 to reinvent your life. It really is just buying, tuning a little pieces 191 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.759 here and there that I'll make it happen. So inventory done with that. 192 00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:00.279 Next step. A big thing for me was to really look and see how 193 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:05.639 I was spending my time and and even before my cardiac event, some consultants 194 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:09.639 that we had worked with at that clinic. You know, it was in 195 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.919 my office and he looked at my calendar and he made and he wasn't the 196 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:20.000 first person to say this, but some other people did too, but he 197 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.240 he did it. You know, I'm gonna put this kind of a very 198 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:28.399 loving carrying, like grandparent type of way, you know, put their arm 199 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.720 around your shoulder, and what he did with me as he looked at the 200 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.879 counties to see. You know what, I'm not seeing any relaxation time on 201 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:41.000 your calendar and, like many people, no one would say, okay, 202 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.440 I'm going to relax. Okay, let's put that on the calendar. It's 203 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:48.679 just people, don't they? They work too many hours. Everybody seems to 204 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.080 be doing that. And Real quick, there was a study that was just 205 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.279 recently released by the World Health Organization. Most of us are familiar with the 206 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:01.000 work that they're doing, especially around this pandemic, but they had statistics from 207 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:07.279 two thousand and sixteen that indicated globally over three quarters of a million people. 208 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:13.840 So roughly seven hundred forty five thousand people die every year due to heart disease 209 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:22.120 or stroke, with the singular indicator that they worked more than fifty five hours 210 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:26.759 a week. Now, based on the stats that I'm seeing from all other 211 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.799 studies, now that that's five years later, I'm pretty confident that number is 212 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.600 pretty close to a million people a year die because they work more than fifty 213 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:37.440 five hours a week and they're dying of a heart disease, are struck. 214 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:43.000 It's and now obviously there's all their ingredients in that. When you're working those 215 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.639 many hours, you're not getting sleep, you're not resting, you're not eating 216 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:50.080 while you'd all those other factors that play a part in it. The keeping 217 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.639 track of your time is so critical because you need to see how you're working, 218 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.879 because the point of diminishing returns kicks in. So if you work sixteen 219 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:03.759 hour day, you're not getting sixteen hours out of productivity. You're lucky if 220 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:08.559 you're getting for a lot of the things that I've seeing is from a in 221 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:14.240 an eighth hour shift. The productivity of most human beings is less than four 222 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:18.720 hours. So what are you doing with those other four hours? Getting interrupted, 223 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.720 struggling with trying to get things to work, you don't have all the 224 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.360 information for you to be able to do your job, or your boss is 225 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.600 calling a bunch of meetings or all of these other things that are preventing you 226 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:37.159 from doing what you were hired to do. And that's been amplified, unfortunately, 227 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.120 during this pandemic with the countless number of zoom meetings that managers and leaders 228 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.360 want to have with their teams, and it's taking a toll on a lot 229 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.519 of people because they're like, wait a minute, I got to do all 230 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.759 of this. And then toss in the fact that so many people became full 231 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:56.080 time school teachers during this pandemic and we all figured out, wait a minute, 232 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:00.679 our kids are in school round the same time that I work. Okay, 233 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.319 how's that going to work? And it doesn't and we need to quit 234 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:08.559 trying to make it work because it just doesn't. So people that have done 235 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:15.240 well, so to speak, during this pandemic have been able to adjust their 236 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.240 working hours accordingly to be able to do the things they need to do. 237 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.640 With their kids get the work done that they need to do in a way 238 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:25.799 that you know is an impacting the business and not taking a big toll on 239 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:29.519 their on their health. So the next step, after you know what's everything 240 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.680 going on in my life, is just start really keeping track of how you 241 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:38.640 spend your time, and a deeper exercise on that is try to batch things 242 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:42.720 together that are similar in nature. You know, for me, I'll peel 243 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:48.000 back the curtain of my calendar for a moment here, because I speak publicly, 244 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:53.279 Monday's I dedicate for doing research, for speaking and reaching out to conferences 245 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:56.799 and event managers and all of that kind of good stuff. You know, 246 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.000 I did that earlier today, so that's been done. To days are for 247 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.519 intro calls or follow up phone calls with people. Wednesdays tends to be the 248 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:10.119 day that I record my show. Thursdays and Fridays I don't schedule. Now 249 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.799 that doesn't mean I take two days off. Sometimes I do, including the 250 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:19.359 weekend of course, but I leave those days unscheduled and the reason why is 251 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:25.160 if something comes up on Monday or Tuesday or even Wednesday and they need to 252 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.920 have a follow up call or there's an opportunity, whether it's a speak engagement 253 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:33.160 or follow up on a client call or doing research on something. I've got 254 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.119 two days that I don't have anything booked. It's it's a lot of elbow 255 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.680 room to play with. Now, of course, you got to be careful 256 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:45.119 and you need to schedule accordingly so you don't overwhelm yourself before the weekend, 257 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.279 because we see time and time again people load up their schedules, whether if 258 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:53.240 they're working for somebody or even as an entrepreneur, and then the weekend comes 259 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.319 in and there's still in that hamster wheel. Okay, I got to do 260 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.519 this. How I do this? I got to grow my business, I 261 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:00.960 got to get sales. I all we I get it, believe me, 262 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:06.920 I know. But the problem is when you're doing that type of work on 263 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:11.359 fumes, you're not doing good work and you're missing opportunities because you don't have 264 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.880 the clarity to look for the opportunities. You're just chasing something and you're going 265 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.920 so fast you're going to drive right past an opportunity because you won't see it. 266 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.680 So you need to scale it back. You need to block off time 267 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:26.799 where you are taking care of yourself, and that can be a variety of 268 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.279 different things, as long as it's not work. And the more you do 269 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:36.880 that, the more you'll get in rhythm of how you're your body, your 270 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:41.000 energy levels and all those things play out, because when you do that it 271 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:45.279 makes for such an easier way to move through your work day and your personal 272 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:51.519 life, without all the jagged, sharp left turns, sharp right turns to 273 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.799 so many of us end up doing, because we have to switch gears and 274 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.519 do things all the time and it really takes a toll on us when we 275 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.799 do that. So that's that's a next big step to do and once you 276 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.759 get that in play, a lot of the other things you can do make 277 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.559 make it a lot easier to to live a life that's got a lot less 278 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:15.400 stress in it. Yeah, and it's you, he like. I don't 279 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.279 know, maybe maybe we were meant to have those conversation because you're you're kind 280 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:23.960 of teaching me here. My big thing right is is well, I love 281 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.920 how you said, let's schedule days were very specific events and let's stock, 282 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:33.319 let'St that, because and what I find myself doing it if, if I 283 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.079 don't do something like that, if I don't really try to organize things that 284 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.839 were it makes sense. In a flow. I find myself jumping from you 285 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.559 know, I call it my something Chinese Syndrome. Right, I'll get an 286 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.079 idea something I'm supposed to do and because I don't have it scheduled on a 287 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.519 day, I stop what I'm doing now take care of that then try to 288 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.960 get back to this. But that never happens because while I was doing this, 289 00:20:56.039 --> 00:21:00.720 something shiny and I was it's just it just, you know, goes 290 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.920 into this endless cycle of mean not really ever completing the task, and that 291 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.400 this builds up on that stress because now I feel like I'm doing all this 292 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.720 work and nothing's getting done, and that's that's been a big thing for me. 293 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.279 And with the covid piece that you were saying, it's been huge because 294 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:19.279 I had to really do that schedule as well, with my kids being at 295 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.680 home and I'm doing work and I have this and that to really trying to 296 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:26.519 juggle that, and so it was a big learning experience with with covid and 297 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:30.359 and even now, like I think it's really what made me aware of this 298 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:36.599 idea that I do this. So is this something not I it can't just 299 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:38.880 be me. There has to be the vast majority of people out there have 300 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:44.559 something shaging syndrome. Oh yeah, the shiny object disease. I've heard all 301 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.240 kinds of ways to describe it, but it's there. It happens to me 302 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:52.119 all the time. You get even case in point, this morning I'm working 303 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:57.160 on, you know, doing some research on speaking engagements, and email chimed 304 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:02.799 in and I should have emails open because that's usually how I reach a lot 305 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:06.440 of the event planners. So I would normally sit shut down the email, 306 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:10.359 but I need it open so I can you send the actual message. Email 307 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:12.759 came in. I glanced at it and you know, that was about a 308 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:17.799 fifteen minute rabbit hole. You know that I could have done later. It 309 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:19.160 didn't need to do it right there and then, but I you know, 310 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.599 just like what you said, and I'm just as guilty of it. I'm 311 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:25.359 human, you know. Just because you know I live a life that's free 312 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:30.319 from burnout doesn't mean that I don't, you know, have challenging opportunity these 313 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.559 or things come up. So it happens. The key is when you get 314 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:40.440 those momentary interruptions, whether it's a thought or a message or an inquiry or 315 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:44.640 whatever the case may be, come up with a mechanism for you to capture 316 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.599 that. To go back to it, because if you're working, doing the 317 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.880 deep work, and Cal Newport's book deep work is a great book to read. 318 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.720 It helps kind of time block things a little bit better. But when 319 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:03.640 you when you're working in this period of time zone, if you if you 320 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:08.880 can't prevent the interruption, at least have a mechanism where you can quickly document 321 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.720 it, save it do something with and so I'm going to go back to 322 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:18.279 that in a moment. But let me finish this because you're not alone. 323 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:22.799 A ton of people have, you know, their desks littered with eighty five 324 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:30.119 percent complete projects on or tasks or ideas and they don't finish because there's so 325 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.880 many of them. And that's it's one of the things that catches a lot 326 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:38.559 of people off to because so many of us have amazing ideas or people present 327 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.599 us amazing ideas that make a ton of sense. Like yeah, that's great, 328 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:47.359 but does it fit with where you want your business or the work you're 329 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:51.519 doing right now? Right now? Is this something that would immediately impact things 330 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:55.960 right now, or is it something that would be beneficial maybe six months or 331 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:57.960 year down the road, or maybe two years or five years, you don't 332 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:03.640 know. But it's a case where, when you're looking at those things, 333 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.480 if you can slow down and look at those things the time that you allocate 334 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.759 to look at them, then you'll have the clarity to determine, okay, 335 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.000 the shiny thing, is this actually something that's good, that would benefit me, 336 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:19.599 or is it just the latest greatest whatever, whether it's, you know, 337 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.160 clubhouse, for example. I know a lot of people are using that 338 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:27.440 and and now that it's available on Android, obviously it opens it up to 339 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:32.039 a lot more people. So it's a case where, as an entrepreneur, 340 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:33.920 a lot of people think, will I should get on that. It's like, 341 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:37.599 okay, but you just launched your podcast as well, and you're writing 342 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.440 this blog post and you're doing this, you're doing it. It's like, 343 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.000 what, what do you want to do? You know what? What? 344 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.920 What's the mission of Your Business, or is an individual or where you work? 345 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.480 What? What's your role? What do you do? You know, 346 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:56.039 try to be narrow in doing the work that you do. I'm nothing against 347 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.880 clubhouse. I've used it. I know a colleagues of mine that are doing 348 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.160 quite well with it. For me, it's like yeah, I mean it's 349 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.839 something that may work, be something beneficial for me. But again, when 350 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.359 I look at my schedule, the way that I have my schedule allocated, 351 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.720 I looked and go, okay, if I add that in, what am 352 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:21.759 I taking away? Because I'm not going to have it interrupt my self care 353 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.400 or relaxation time. Not Cutting that out. I did that before. I 354 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:32.279 got two stints in my heart to demonstrate that was the way used to do 355 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:36.680 things. Won't do that again. So you know, it's it boils down 356 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:41.759 to. Not to make people negative, but for me a lot of things 357 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:47.240 that come at me, my initial default before I say anything, it's like, 358 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:52.920 okay, the answer is no, but let me look at it and 359 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.400 a glance at it, because we every time we say yes, is something 360 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.640 one of course for saying no to something else and it takes away from all 361 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:03.599 the things we've said yes to. So and it's easy to do because again, 362 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:08.000 like I said a couple moments ago, everything that we do is entrepreneurs 363 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.640 or people that we work with or companies and all of that. A lot 364 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:17.079 of ideas that come to mind are great ideas, they're great concepts or yes, 365 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.200 that would be amazing, but does it fit with what we're doing right 366 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:25.880 now. Is that where we should be going? Because unless it's in great 367 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:30.279 alignment with other things you're doing and it doesn't take away from you and your 368 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:34.960 time, you need to do your your own wellbeing and be the best employee, 369 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.079 your best business owner you can be, then you have to say, 370 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.720 I can't do that right now, even though it's amazing, I just can't 371 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.279 do that right now. 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Then you won't accomplish that and you're losing out from accomplishing that. 395 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.400 So in that sense, I mean if you're going to look at it 396 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:55.119 in the scarcity piece, then yeah, you're missing out either way you go. 397 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:59.839 So, but this idea that someone's going to make millions there, four 398 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.200 millions won't be available to me. We had to stop thinking that way because 399 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.160 it's always there and clubhouse. It's a good it's a good piece. It's 400 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.400 pretty cool on with you like and I can see some pieces that I utilize 401 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.680 in some aspects of my life with it, but it did fit into that 402 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.640 arena. Now I've had people talk to me like you should get on this 403 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.079 platform and that platform and this platform, like that's it's too many platforms. 404 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.039 I let me, let me establish this one and took talk in all that 405 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.799 stuff. Whatever. If you're going to be a talk if you're going to 406 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.519 be on the Graham, they'll more likely they're going to be there after you 407 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.839 established this one social media and you got get that going through it. So 408 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.640 we had to stop thinking about this idea that I'm going to miss out on 409 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.799 stuff, because we're really not. It's that there's so many individuals out there 410 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.319 that this other individual who already got millions isn't going to reach and their story 411 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.359 is going to reach that person. So that's that's a really good mindset piece 412 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.079 to start thinking more of this growth that I can get to, I can 413 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.119 get to clubhouse and a few months that's what. I'm done with this piece. 414 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.839 And they're still be people there who have never even heard of pass or 415 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:08.400 let's clubhouse. There are people who have no idea how to get on instagram 416 00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.119 or and there's they're learning just as the way as you are. So it's 417 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.039 it is a piece that will be there in the future. So don't worry 418 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.799 about it, just do what you got to do and make it happen. 419 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.960 Absolutely so. And so then the mind pit set piece, because here this 420 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.079 is, this is all great that we're talking about. Right, let's shift 421 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.480 this, let's shift that, let's shift this. But we as humans, 422 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.839 are we're going to habit like if and if it's not something like you had 423 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:41.720 this this heart attack that really shifted everything, like it forced you to develop 424 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:47.599 this new mindset and it weighed that saying I'm shifting because I'm not going back 425 00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:52.079 here. But for those who haven't had that, you know, catastrophic moment 426 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.279 for themselves, it can't be easy for them to say, all right, 427 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.759 well, let me take the in inventory, let me start scheduling this, 428 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:06.319 because they just automatically switch into that habitual state of working twelve, thirteen, 429 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.559 fourteen, fifteen hours a day. So what I mean how is how do 430 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.799 they overcome that piece? Yeah, it's a difficult one. Any habit, 431 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:19.319 whether it's a new habit to do something that's beneficial or habits that aren't serving 432 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:26.240 you, it's pattern. It's difficult to change those things. And hopefully you 433 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:32.519 don't have a significant event such as a cardick event or health scare or job 434 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.240 loss or, you know, financial difficulties, all those things that can really 435 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:40.559 turn your life upside down. Hopefully you can prevent those. But if there's 436 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.240 things you want to make adjustments in your life or change. A lot of 437 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.279 people hear the word change and they freak out, but you change is the 438 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:51.640 only constant life. But a lot of times I use the phrase adjustment because 439 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.079 I think they go, okay, I can adjust this and this. It's 440 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.200 it's micro steps, it's it and it's instead of saying, okay, well, 441 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:00.400 I'm going to do this, I'm going to lose the weight, I'm 442 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.319 going to eat nothing but Kale Salads, I'm it all these dramatic things and 443 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.119 they put all this pressure on themselves to do that and you know, they 444 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.559 weigh them and say they want to lose weight, so they're gonna do all 445 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:17.400 this. I'm going to do this, and they weigh themselves the next day 446 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:23.839 and they gain two pounds and they're like what? And but I ate nothing 447 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:29.160 but Kale Salad and I had the protein shake that tasted like dirt. Not 448 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.440 all of them do. I drink them. Then I have something that takes 449 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:36.839 really good, but some of them don't, but they'd. So they do 450 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.000 all this and then like and they get frustrated, like okay, I'm not 451 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:42.480 seeing it's like, and I always tell people it's like look, how long 452 00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:47.079 did it take you to get into this pattern? You know, let's say 453 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.200 you know you've been working too many hours and you want to scale that back. 454 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:52.559 Well, how long have you been doing that? I've been doing that 455 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:57.440 for three or four years. Okay, you're expecting to change that in a 456 00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:02.319 day or a week? You're putting way too much pressure on yourself. He's 457 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:08.559 into it. Celebrate those small victories. So if you're working those hours, 458 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.359 we have to look and go Kay, what am I doing? And that 459 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.680 goes back to that time tracking thing, which I'm easily able to do that 460 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.359 because my first career was public accounting and we build clients. So I had 461 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.119 to keep track of you know, every fifteen minutes or so. So I 462 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:28.240 I know how to track time a document really well. Most people don't. 463 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.720 So it's just even starting with that, it's like, okay, what what 464 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.920 tool would be easy for me to keep track of my time? could be 465 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.000 Google calendar, could be a piece paper, whatever works for you. Figure 466 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:45.039 out what that tool is and and getting the habit of using it. But 467 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.759 by analyzing your time and again looking at how you're spending things, you can 468 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.880 go okay, maybe instead of saying okay, I want to, you know, 469 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:58.640 reduce my hours from fifteen hours a day down to let's say ten. 470 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:05.559 Well, don't try to cut out five. It wants increments, small increments, 471 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:07.880 even if it's a half hour last, you know, send them alarm 472 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.280 on your phone or, you know, just are on your computer. Just 473 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.800 you try all small baby steps and see what happens. What what likely happens 474 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:22.360 is, especially those people that are working those long hours, is it changes 475 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:28.280 the directive, it and it changes the basically the language of okay, I've 476 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.760 got instead of this fifteen hour day, I'm going to work. I know 477 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:37.000 today I'm only going to be working twelve okay. So you get really focused 478 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:42.639 on what you're doing and you start getting pinpointing on those times where you're not 479 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.639 necessarily focused and not necessarily working, because anybody's working fifteen hour days unless they're 480 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.400 doing like manual labor or something like that. There are breaks in there, 481 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.159 there are times where you're not doing anything. You might be staring at your 482 00:34:55.159 --> 00:35:00.000 screen, you're checking emails, whatever. So you figure out, you get 483 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.960 really efficient about how you're spending your time and it cuts out a lot of 484 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:09.599 the slack time where you're not necessarily focused on things. Then you start noticing, 485 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:14.519 okay, I'm getting a little bit more efficient and doing this work, 486 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.519 and then you can say okay, now I'm going efficient this. Now let's 487 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:21.199 try this, and you get more efficient and that type of task and then 488 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.679 you realize, wait a minute, now that I've eliminated all these interruptions and 489 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:30.480 I'm not checking my iphone all the time, then okay, I'm getting this 490 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:32.559 done a little bit quicker. And next thing you know they're like wow, 491 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:38.280 I just saved like two hours a day just by making these adjustments. That's 492 00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:44.920 ten hours a week. That's huge. So the time is there. It's 493 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.239 just a case of being more aware of how you're spending your time, and 494 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.719 then you get more clarity and you get more deep focused on what you're working 495 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.159 on. Again, going back to the grouping of tasks and all of that, 496 00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:00.880 when you work on like tasks together, it's easy here for your brain 497 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.000 and you because you're already in that momentum of doing that kind of work. 498 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.880 And then that way, you know, okay, on Tuesday's I work on 499 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.840 spreadsheet reports. Right. Well, then you know that's what you're going to 500 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.280 be working on that day and you're mentally prepared for it. You may hate 501 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.519 it, but at least you know that's what you're working on that day and 502 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:24.320 you get through it. And again there's efficiencies because it's it's basically hacking your 503 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.480 time in a way and figuring out what's important to you, what are the 504 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:35.079 things you can work on together, focus and just do that. You know, 505 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.400 when you're working on a spreadsheet and you're looking at your phone and you're 506 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.960 playing on Tick Tock, are you listening to music, or whatever the case 507 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.960 may be, you're trying to do five or six things at once. Certain 508 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:50.719 are on it down and do one thing at once and you'll realize that you'll 509 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.159 get it done a lot faster and likely a lot with more productivity and less 510 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:59.480 errors, which means you won't be spending as much time on it, which 511 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:05.320 means you're not needing to put in those long days as much because you're getting 512 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.760 more efficient at the work you're doing. Yeah, when I think that's it's 513 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.320 a crazy important point that we again, we try to take on too much 514 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.719 to begin with, and so we we that's what we do. We try 515 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.679 to make the changes, we try to take on too much, and so 516 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.679 I love that. A little baby steps and let's just implement this time change 517 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.239 a little bit. And you know, if we cut off the interruptions like 518 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.639 in why you were saying that. The thing that really is or jepped out 519 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:36.000 to me is that we we can have open door policies and not make it 520 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:37.920 happen like I have an open door policy, you can come to me from 521 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:43.320 this time to this time, because my kids their schools right and that this 522 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.280 is what I just hit me, is that when covid happened, these teachers 523 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:51.199 had to really adjust the way that they did things and and they said, 524 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.559 okay, I have open hours now, from this time to this time, 525 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:58.920 and if you don't meet me in there tomorrow is the same thing. And 526 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.360 so what they really had to be strict about when they could take those, 527 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.079 those the kids as questions and talk with the parents, because everything just shifted 528 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:09.719 for them. And so that's that's one way that we can look at things 529 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.840 moving forward is like, okay, well, what's this one little piece that 530 00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.960 I can do to free me the time to work on this, to get 531 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:22.199 me down to that twelve hours instead of fifteen hours. And it seems hard 532 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.199 at first, but is that awareness. So now we're aware of everything. 533 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:30.320 This just this episode right now being sent out to all these people going, 534 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:31.840 all right, I have this awareness of what I want to do. That 535 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:38.760 awareness alone well trigger things when saying, all right, I need to work 536 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:43.000 on this, and you'll find yourself trying to slip into that. But because 537 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.519 you're aware of that, you go oh, okay, and then you can 538 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.679 make that adjustment. You can make that correction, but not when we're trying 539 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:52.280 to do fifteen million things at once. It's just that one little item that 540 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.440 we can do and then build upon that. So it's that's that was a 541 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:59.039 beautiful statement. Yeah, thank you. I know one of the biggest lies 542 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.440 you ever hear in the work places. Do you have a minute? It 543 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.599 won't be a minute, it's going to be five minutes, ten minutes, 544 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.440 fifteen minutes, which takes you off of what you need to do. So 545 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:14.199 that open door policy is is great, you know, but you know say 546 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:19.039 it's open door between this time and this time. That way it controls when 547 00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.360 you're available and when you're not, so you can work on the things that 548 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.039 you want to get done. And those simple adjustments make a big, big 549 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.199 difference and get you doing that deep work like I talked about before, and 550 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.960 you'll get mull likelihood. You're going to get those things done faster if you're 551 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.239 not bouncing around between ten different things. You're focusing on just getting that done. 552 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.920 And when you do that and you start doing that in every other aspect 553 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.480 of all the things you work on, you're going to be more efficient, 554 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:52.920 you're going to get things that's done faster and you're going to have clarity around. 555 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.000 Okay, why did I get that done so much faster? What did 556 00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:00.119 I learn? Anything by doing it quicker without interruption that I can apply to 557 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.440 other things that I'm working on next thing. You know, you're getting a 558 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:09.079 lot more done and less time and you're not fatigued and wiped out from it, 559 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:15.199 as you're not being pulled in eighteen different directions. It's time blocking and 560 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.320 minimizing your interruptions. Are, you know, one and two, as far 561 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.519 as you know, some of the top things you can do to reduce stress 562 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.320 and prevent burnout. Yeah, so let's talk about your book format, because 563 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.320 I want to make sure I get that in there before that the new book 564 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.760 and it's burnout proven. So I wouldn't for readers. Are you just giving 565 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:39.840 them these types of strategy, strategies and tactics to really kind of help them 566 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:45.000 with that? Yeah, I wrote the book with the premise of to define 567 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.800 what burnout is, and in the book as well, I take the word 568 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.840 burn out and I each letter in the word burnout stands for something. So 569 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:58.920 be is for boundaries, use for unhappy, ours for rhythm and is for 570 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:04.159 neglect. Oh, is for offside, you is upheaval, and then tea 571 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.159 is for time, and I go into detail on how all of those things 572 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:13.119 impact stress and and create burnout in your life if you don't have those things 573 00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.920 under control. And you know, I talked about you know what burnout looks 574 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.679 like, and then some things that you can do to stop burnout, and 575 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.760 it's tracks. The deeper work, of course, is figuring out why you 576 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:29.280 burned out the first place, and that's where a lot of self reflection and 577 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.639 working with people to kind of get your head wrapped around what that looks like. 578 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.480 And then I was supposed to release this book a little over a year 579 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:43.199 ago and then the pandemic hit, and I'm glad that I waited because with 580 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.159 the pandemic and working from home, I realized, okay, I need to 581 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.679 add a covid nineteen, or working from home chapter to the book, which 582 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:54.039 I did, which talks about the burnout that we've seen and working from home 583 00:41:54.039 --> 00:42:00.800 and some things you can do to help minimize that. In this hopefully temporary 584 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:05.320 doesn't feel like temporary for many of us, but I think in many cases 585 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.480 we are turning that last lap, basically, and heading for the finish line 586 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:15.639 on this or at least something that's going to be a little bit more resembling 587 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:22.119 what normal was prior to the pandemic, and I think from that we'll see 588 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.880 how things go. So the book is written in such a way where it's 589 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:30.480 it's a fairly quick read and that was intentional because I didn't want to give 590 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.960 somebody a five hundred page manifesto, because most people won't read that type of 591 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:40.199 a book unless it's a novel or fiction or something like that, or Harry 592 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.079 Potter book or whatever. They're not going to read that because it's not it. 593 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.159 This is more of a here's what it is, here's some things you 594 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:53.880 can do and here's the instructions. Go and in, in implement those things, 595 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.840 and the feedback that I received so far has been it's been amazing to 596 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.920 be able to make some changes in ease my burnout, you know, as 597 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.719 fast as they did, and that's what the intent is. BURNOUT is one 598 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.440 of those treadmills we think once we're on it we can't get off of it 599 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.920 quickly, but you actually can, and the steps are fairly easy to reduce 600 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.199 burnout in your life and be done with it. But again, you know, 601 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.800 the deeper work is to figure out why you burned out in the first 602 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.920 place and implement some things in your life so you don't burn out again. 603 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:31.119 I agree with you. I think that people are we're getting back to somewhat 604 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:36.400 up a normal state, at least in some places. Some places are still 605 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.519 kind of there. But I think there's there's going to be two things and 606 00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:42.119 I think the book and what we're talking about here is going to be key 607 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.800 to both. So yes, if we go back to work, it's a 608 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.599 lot of that is Allevia, because I think what covid did is it brought 609 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.559 everything home. We didn't realize because, you know, we used to have 610 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.800 be able to cut time off, like worktime, family time. This time 611 00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.840 and that was all the same place and we don't have these separate areas to 612 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.239 go to it. So it was really hard for a lot of us to 613 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.800 transition into that. So now, when people are able to go back to 614 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.440 work, they can do that and some of that Burnett will happen. But 615 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.840 I feel like some organizations now have realized the you know, we can do 616 00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.400 a lot of this stuff from home. So this is where the book and 617 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.360 everything we're talking about is still key, because if this is going to be 618 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:27.199 your new norm, then you really need to figure out what we're talking about 619 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.920 is, what are these things, and let's take the inventory of our time 620 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.960 and and what that looks like. And then if we're experiencing burnout than here 621 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.480 the steps to really to really take that. And you're absolutely right. It's 622 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:42.880 not a treadmill, this isn't a it's not a rat. Well right, 623 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.400 we can jump off rats, get off the wheels all the time. So 624 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.800 we can, we can do we can do it too, and so it's 625 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.519 just a beautiful thing. And so I think, I think a book it 626 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:58.960 and I'm gladuated because it is definitely a need of point in the world today. 627 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:05.280 So I a with the book and then now with your you're speaking, 628 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.519 because I want to talk about because I want to make sure I cover everything 629 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:09.400 that you do, because I know you're resonating with people. You have to 630 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:14.320 be in so, like if they want, you know, like organizations or 631 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.840 something. Are you know, my employees are filling this burn I know they 632 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.679 are, especially the covid know. What are you? What are your speaking 633 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.239 engagement look like? You do you go to organizations? You just do. 634 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.320 So tell me a little bit about that. So people are, you know, 635 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.199 within the organizations, are looking to say I could really use Michael's help 636 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:36.000 on this one or so how what does that look like? I appreciate that. 637 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.400 Yeah, I speak at conferences across the globe. Of course, over 638 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.960 the last couple of years it's been virtual, but starting to do some in 639 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.599 person things and which is is great. Didn't realize how much I'd miss it 640 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:51.559 until till you don't get to do it. But also going in to organizations 641 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:55.639 and working with their teams on having a burnout proof type organization. What are 642 00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.960 some things that they're goingization can do? And it's a communication thing between the 643 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:06.199 employees and the in the management to make sure that everyone's on the same page 644 00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.239 with what needs to be done and everyone's fully aware. Okay, if that's 645 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:13.960 what needs to be done, this is what it will take. And do 646 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.639 we have the resources now to do all of that or do we need to 647 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:22.360 realign some things and add here or, you know, make some adjustments in 648 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.400 a couple areas? And again that's a it's conversation that I have with the 649 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.239 employers and with the employees, because the last thing you want to do is 650 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.280 consultants go in and and make all the employees man at the managers. That's 651 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:37.679 usually not how they want that to end up. So it's a communication with 652 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.280 both sides of the parties and I do some one on one as well. 653 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.239 You know, it all depends on you know, you know what the situation 654 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.239 is. I've worked with, as we said in the onset, you know, 655 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:54.000 fortune five hundred based executives and right down to small business owners and their 656 00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:00.119 teams. Because my original career, as I mentioned earlier, is public accounting. 657 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.840 I did a lot of audits for pretty much every type of organization under 658 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:08.760 the Sun. So I have awareness of what these organizations are like and some 659 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:15.599 of the individual challenges that are particular sector has that's different from others, but 660 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.000 a lot of them have a lot of similarities. And burnout, unfortunately, 661 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.920 doesn't care what sector you're right, it impacts everyone. So I love working 662 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:28.079 with organizations and, you know, making sure that their employees are healthy, 663 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.400 because if they're healthy then they can be productive in a way, they can 664 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.920 make better products and services, and that's what you and I is consumers and 665 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:42.920 society reaps the benefits from that. Is when employees are healthy then they're making 666 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.519 better stuff, which means as consumers, you and I are getting better stuff 667 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.119 and it just makes the world so much better. So, you know, 668 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.840 that's my mission to work with teams and and, you know, speak at 669 00:47:52.880 --> 00:48:00.079 events to bring awareness to burn out and help people get off of that treadmill 670 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.880 and live a life that they deserve to live. Yeah, awesome. That's 671 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.559 that's that's awesome. So if people will, will cover two things. Your 672 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:12.760 one, because we're running we're getting close time. So one, where can 673 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.239 they get your book? And if you too, if they want to utilize 674 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.760 your services, how do they get in touch with you? Yeah, the 675 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.800 book. You can find it on Amazon or Barnson Noble. I know you 676 00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.639 can order it online and Barns and noble. I don't know if any stores 677 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:29.360 have it yet. With pandemic all of that, everything's print pretty much shifted 678 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:31.920 to online, but you can order it and have it deliver it to your 679 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.360 local Barnson noble and Amazon, of course you can order it there. And 680 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:43.039 then to find me, breakfast leadershipcom is the main site on most of the 681 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.559 social media channels as well. If you look under the letter be and then 682 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:50.239 fast leadership. Don't put that on a license plate, by the way, 683 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:53.840 and you are you look up Hashtag breakfast leadership. You can find me on 684 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:58.239 most of the social media channels. Be Happy to have a conversation with you. 685 00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:00.719 Awesome, Mikel want to thank you so much. It was really I 686 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.760 learned a lot in this conversation right and, like I said, like I 687 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.519 felt like you're here tch be because these are things, some things that I 688 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.960 was struggling with you and I know that I'm not the only one. There's 689 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.920 so many people out there. So I'm so grateful that you took the time 690 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.000 to come out and or come on and and just share your stories, share 691 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.559 your wisdom and your knowledge and and I know people are going to going to 692 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.440 benefit from it. So thank you so much. Thank you very much. 693 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.920 Appreciate it all right, and with everybody else, I'm going to sign up, 694 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:35.119 but we will be talking soon. Thanks for tuning in. 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