Burnout: A Serious Health Destroyer - Michael Levitt

WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:07.320 Hey, Dr g here. Thank you for listening to moving up stream without 2 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:11.119 a paddle. I would like to work with businesses, authors, coaches and 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:15.960 the like who understand the importance of shifting perspectives to obtain the results we're looking 4 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:19.800 for. And please to announce that moving up stream without a paddle is now 5 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:24.879 offering commercial spots to be air during the episodes. If you believe your organization 6 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:29.079 would benefit from advertising on the PODCAST, I would love to have you be 7 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:33.880 a part of this continuously growing show. Let's get connected and inspire the world 8 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:41.479 together. How's it going everybody? I am back again and this time with 9 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:46.799 my guest, Michael let it. Michael is a the founder and chief burnout 10 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:51.840 officer of the breakfast leadership network. That's the San Diego and Toronto based burnout 11 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:57.799 media firm. He is a keynote speaker, he hosts of the breakfast leadership 12 00:00:57.840 --> 00:01:03.759 show, the certified MLP and CBT therapist, a fortune five hundred consultant and 13 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:08.159 the author of the new book burnout proof. And I'm excited to have this 14 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:12.120 conversation because burnout the big thing. It's a huge thing in the world today 15 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.879 and it's a good thing to talk about so we will be having that conversation 16 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:22.079 with Michael coming up right after this. Welcome to moving up stream without a 17 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:26.359 paddle, the podcast that helps develop a mindset for success. I'm your host, 18 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:30.760 Dr Garrett Coggins, but most people call me Dr G. I dedicated 19 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.359 in my life to helping others understand that if you have the proper mindset, 20 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:41.359 you can propel yourself up that proverbial stream with no paddle needing. After constantly 21 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:45.959 feeling like you're going against the flow, but you're never happy with your results, 22 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.879 it's really time to flip your mindset. If that's something that you're ready 23 00:01:49.920 --> 00:02:07.879 to do, you've come to the right place. Now let's get to it. 24 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:12.759 Hello, Michael, welcome to the show. Great to be with you. 25 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.120 Dr G. I'm a platter to have you. So how are you 26 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:21.080 doing? Is this a good Monday for you? It is a great Monday 27 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.360 for me. The Sun is out, it's warm outside, so it feels 28 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:29.120 great thinking about doing the show outside, but there's too much noise. It 29 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:31.360 sound quality to be horrible for a show like this, so I thought, 30 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:36.159 well, we'll go indoor, so I'll get plenty of outdoor time today. 31 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:39.199 Yeah, definitely am outdoor time is a good thing to do. So I'm 32 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:44.599 anxious to get started on this because I there's a lot talk through, you 33 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:47.840 know, my inner circles and people outside of that that are really in that 34 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:53.280 burnout stage. Covids really messed with some people and they're just and you would 35 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.840 think that just working in general would burn you out, but there's so many 36 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:00.759 aspects of life that can they can cause that burnout. So what I like 37 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.199 to do is just, if you don't mind, I'm just give you center 38 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.039 stage and let you talk about where it is you do and why you do 39 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.879 it and how you got there, and then what does the conversation go from 40 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:14.599 there? Sounds Great. You have. Burnout is definitely impacting a lot of 41 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:21.039 people and it's been amplified during this pandemic. And I was initially wrong on 42 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.280 my assessment about that, because I thought when everyone was sent home back in 43 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:28.960 March of two thousand and twenty two work remotely, I thought that maybe, 44 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:35.520 just maybe, people would work little bit less hours in a day and start 45 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.000 getting a little bit more harmony about their life. And I was completely wrong 46 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:43.439 on that assessment because the opposite happened. People started working more hours, which 47 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.719 is really problematic. But you burn out as one of those things that has 48 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.599 been around for a long time. It has. It's not something that just 49 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.960 popped up during this pandemic. There was a book that was actually published in 50 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:58.800 the late s titled Burnout, so it's been around for a long time, 51 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.919 but it's definitely taken a toll for the worst over the last few years for 52 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.479 sure, and of course this pandemic is amplified it now. How I got 53 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:12.960 into the burnout story and how I got into this work was my own personal 54 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:17.439 experience with burnout, which was pretty catastrophic for me. Back in two thousand 55 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:23.319 and seven I was hired as a healthcare executive just outside of Windsor, Ontario, 56 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:28.000 Canada, a dual citizen, originally grew up in Michigan and immigrated to 57 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:30.439 Canada in two thousand and four. Became am a citizen in two thousand and 58 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.439 eleven, which allows me to joke and say I can vote and screw up 59 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.439 two countries, but then I leave it there. I don't tell people who 60 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:42.160 I vote for because half your audience to be mad at me. So so 61 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:45.519 I don't want you know I we all want to get a lot. We 62 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.879 all have you know our pluses and some things we could improve on. But 63 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:55.040 but this role was much like a start up and was start up health organization, 64 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.360 but I was an employee, but I was treating it as if it 65 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:02.199 was my business. In a lot of entrepreneurs put in some insane hours, 66 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:06.000 and I did. I was working basically six am to eleven pm, seven 67 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:10.959 days a week, and I did that for two solid years and that really 68 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:15.160 took a toll on me, both mentally and physically during that time. Because 69 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.879 you're working all those hours, you're not getting in a lot of activity and, 70 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:23.360 as you know, many people know and recognize, when you're an executive, 71 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:27.199 you tend to get the really good parking spot where you work, so 72 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:31.560 you're not walking very far to get into your workplace and my clinic at the 73 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:36.160 time was rather small, so I wasn't getting in any steps at all, 74 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:40.680 which I think a lot of people you know, may be encountering during this 75 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:45.319 pandemic as well, because we're not walking around our office, we're walking around 76 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:48.759 our house and tends to be a little bit smaller, unless you have a 77 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:53.399 really big home, and congratulations, but for most of us we're not getting 78 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:59.160 in the activity and I certainly wasn't, and my nutrition plan was basically breakfast, 79 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.560 lunch and dinner, ordering food through a microphone and driving around the corner, 80 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:06.759 paying for it and getting handed a brown bag. I wasn't eating anything 81 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:11.879 that had any nutritional value and at all. You all came to crashing halt 82 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.160 and may have two thousand and nine. We're over a period of three hundred 83 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.199 sixty nine days, so from May two thousand and my Usan may two thousand 84 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:24.439 and nine, to May two thousand and ten, the following happened. I 85 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:29.160 had a heart attack that should have killed me, and then seventeen weeks later, 86 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:32.480 I lost my job during the great recession. Then a few months later, 87 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.959 my car was repossessed and then finally, in May two thousand and ten, 88 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:40.920 my home was foreclosed. All those things happened to me in a year, 89 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.680 and every one of those things happened because I was burned out. When 90 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:48.120 you're not taking care of yourself and you're not really getting the amount of sleep 91 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:53.839 you need to get eating well, getting some activity and you start making mistakes 92 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:58.959 at work, you stress out, you're working too many hours and it, 93 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.519 you know, nearly cost me of my life. The cardiology just to put 94 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:06.040 the stents in my left interior to sending artery, which has a nickname in 95 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:11.040 the cardiology world. It's called the widow maker because usually, if you have 96 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.759 blockages in that artery and you have a heart attack, statistically speaking, most 97 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:21.439 people die. Now, thankfully I didn't. But before he performed the procedure, 98 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:25.000 you know, he looked at me and he said, you don't know 99 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:28.439 how lucky you are to be alive right now. And then I look back 100 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.319 at him and I see, I see you hip the betside manner course in 101 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:35.759 your medical career, and he laughed. I laughed and you know, then 102 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:41.399 they needed the procedure and and all of that good stuff, but at the 103 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:46.879 end of the day I was very fortunate to be alive and after experiencing all 104 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.839 of those losses, the thing that you really hit home for me as I 105 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:56.399 had a couple choices. I could one continue down the path of living the 106 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.839 way that I was living, which nearly killed me, or I needed to 107 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.399 make some pretty significant adjustments in my life. But I didn't know what those 108 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:07.040 adjustments were. I didn't know what I needed to do. So I had 109 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.079 to do a deep, dark, quite frankly, dark when you go in, 110 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:16.759 you're basically doing an autopsy on yourself while you're still alive, and that 111 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:20.439 was an interesting adventure for me. I mean in my only regret is I 112 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:22.519 didn't work with a therapist by doing it. I think it would have been 113 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:26.759 a little bit easier for me if I would have done that, but I 114 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.879 did. I did go through that exercise and you had to reevaluate everything in 115 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:35.840 my life, you know, my who I believed in, who was in 116 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.039 my family, who was in my circle of friends? Why were things important 117 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.480 to me? Why was it important for me to work all those hours? 118 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.639 What was I trying to prove, and all of those things, you know, 119 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.759 we're all put out on the table for me to dissect. Now. 120 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.519 I think that I did have a couple good advisors and I told them what 121 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:58.159 I was doing and I said won't first thing is first, do not be 122 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.080 judgmental about yourself. You're just observing, you're looking at it, you're going, 123 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.399 okay, this is what I did. Okay, does that serve me 124 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:11.080 going forward? If no, then then don't do that. Do something different. 125 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:15.840 And it was. It was a really beneficial exercise. And before we 126 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:20.679 go much further, I want to warn everybody. But Ninety nine percent of 127 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:24.039 the people that I've encountered that burnout do not need to reinvent their life. 128 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.639 So I don't want you thinking, oh great, I'm burned out, so 129 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.120 that means I have to change everything, including my favorite sports team. No, 130 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:33.480 you don't have to do that. Most people just have to make some 131 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:39.080 simple adjustments in a few places which will make a big difference and helping you 132 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:46.679 reduce your stress, because burnout is prolonged stress coupled with fatigue. You're overwhelmed, 133 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.960 you're unable to meet demands and life and you just you, you just 134 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:56.399 can't do anything anymore. You're almost paralyzed by all the stress and all that. 135 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:00.480 So that's how burnout became part of my life. And then, after 136 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:05.360 recovering from all of that and reinventing my life, I went back into healthcare. 137 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.200 My parents wanted to have me committed because they thought I was crazy to 138 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:11.000 go back into the field that nearly killed me, and I said I'm going 139 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:15.399 to do this differently, and I did, and I was back in that 140 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:20.919 career for almost a decade and then, you know, I was looking around 141 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.879 and started noticing a lot of my colleagues and the healthcare sector. We're going 142 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.639 down the same road that I did and it alarmed me and I thought, 143 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.480 Oh, this is not good, because I know the challenges that healthcare faces. 144 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:39.080 I know what society needs from healthcare and we need more healthcare people and 145 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:41.320 not less. So I thought I need to do something about that. So 146 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.879 I started talking with people and start doing a little bit more research on burnout 147 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:50.360 in was alarmed at the numbers that I was seeing, even in the you 148 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.639 know, mid you know two thousand and sixteen. You know the stats that 149 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:58.759 I was seeing then. We're alarming and you know they're there catastrophic now from 150 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.600 what everything I'm seeing. So I thought, okay, I need to do 151 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:09.240 something about this. My experience can prove beneficial in having communication with people because 152 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.120 I can say look, this is what could happen to you. I don't 153 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:18.799 want that for you. Here's what I did to get back to normal. 154 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:22.600 And then here in the things that I've implemented in my life to make sure 155 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:26.519 that I never burn out again, and I haven't burned out since that, 156 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.080 you know, stage and back in two thousand and nine, because I know 157 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:31.480 what the signs are, you know what the fatigue feels like. I know 158 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.159 what the stress feels like. So I've got all kinds of warning lights to 159 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.679 go off and kind of like on your car, when all the lights are 160 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.080 going off, you need to bring in the mechanic. Thankfully, for me 161 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.919 it's just usually an indicator going okay, I need to take a step back 162 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:50.360 here because I'm feeling a little under or overwhelmed I should say, in a 163 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:54.600 particular moment time. So let's take a step back and look at things and 164 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:58.679 see how they're doing. So they launched my business because of all the work 165 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:03.120 and search, I didn't think there's a lot here, so I started writing 166 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.039 a lot and launched my own show, the breakfast leadership show, about four 167 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:13.960 years ago and started speaking on stages and it's taken off from there. So 168 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.480 it's definitely keeping me somewhat out of trouble working in in the burnout space. 169 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:24.120 For sure. Yeah, there's there's there's a lot to unfold there. But 170 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:30.919 this, I think that this this thing that people feel like, and I 171 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:33.120 fall into this a lot and I like to say that I have a little 172 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.840 bit more of an awareness, but even I will go into this idea that 173 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.399 I have to do more I have to do more. I have to do 174 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:46.399 more, and I think that a big shift for me was I was reading 175 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.360 and in you square, the book, You Square, where he says you 176 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.639 can only do so much right, you can only try so hard, you 177 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:58.600 can only work so hard and it gets to a point where it starts becoming 178 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:03.000 counter productive. And that's like what we're this is what we're talking about here, 179 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.320 that you know, when we when we stretch ourselves to a limit, 180 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.080 that it becomes unhealthy, it becomes very kind of productive. And but just 181 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:15.559 like you were saying with your story, that when you get these health concerns 182 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.679 and you're not doing anything, if you're in the hospital having, you know, 183 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:24.399 surgery for a heart attack. So so, what's that? What's that 184 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.000 going to be looking like for everybody else in here? So what to me, 185 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:31.159 my question, I guess the first question is what's what's the first step? 186 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.000 I mean take the inventory and then when you take that invatory, is 187 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:39.600 it now is a task management? Is it? What after the inventory piece, 188 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.360 what's that next step to really say okay, let's and I love how 189 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:48.840 you digress a little bit. I love how you said that you don't have 190 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.440 to reinvent your life. It really is just buying, tuning a little pieces 191 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.759 here and there that I'll make it happen. So inventory done with that. 192 00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:00.279 Next step. A big thing for me was to really look and see how 193 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:05.639 I was spending my time and and even before my cardiac event, some consultants 194 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:09.639 that we had worked with at that clinic. You know, it was in 195 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.919 my office and he looked at my calendar and he made and he wasn't the 196 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:20.000 first person to say this, but some other people did too, but he 197 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:24.240 he did it. You know, I'm gonna put this kind of a very 198 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:28.399 loving carrying, like grandparent type of way, you know, put their arm 199 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.720 around your shoulder, and what he did with me as he looked at the 200 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:35.879 counties to see. You know what, I'm not seeing any relaxation time on 201 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:41.000 your calendar and, like many people, no one would say, okay, 202 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:43.440 I'm going to relax. Okay, let's put that on the calendar. It's 203 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:48.679 just people, don't they? They work too many hours. Everybody seems to 204 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.080 be doing that. And Real quick, there was a study that was just 205 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.279 recently released by the World Health Organization. Most of us are familiar with the 206 00:14:56.279 --> 00:15:01.000 work that they're doing, especially around this pandemic, but they had statistics from 207 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:07.279 two thousand and sixteen that indicated globally over three quarters of a million people. 208 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:13.840 So roughly seven hundred forty five thousand people die every year due to heart disease 209 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:22.120 or stroke, with the singular indicator that they worked more than fifty five hours 210 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:26.759 a week. Now, based on the stats that I'm seeing from all other 211 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.799 studies, now that that's five years later, I'm pretty confident that number is 212 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.600 pretty close to a million people a year die because they work more than fifty 213 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:37.440 five hours a week and they're dying of a heart disease, are struck. 214 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:43.000 It's and now obviously there's all their ingredients in that. When you're working those 215 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:45.639 many hours, you're not getting sleep, you're not resting, you're not eating 216 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:50.080 while you'd all those other factors that play a part in it. The keeping 217 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.639 track of your time is so critical because you need to see how you're working, 218 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.879 because the point of diminishing returns kicks in. So if you work sixteen 219 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:03.759 hour day, you're not getting sixteen hours out of productivity. You're lucky if 220 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:08.559 you're getting for a lot of the things that I've seeing is from a in 221 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:14.240 an eighth hour shift. The productivity of most human beings is less than four 222 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:18.720 hours. So what are you doing with those other four hours? Getting interrupted, 223 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.720 struggling with trying to get things to work, you don't have all the 224 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.360 information for you to be able to do your job, or your boss is 225 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:30.600 calling a bunch of meetings or all of these other things that are preventing you 226 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:37.159 from doing what you were hired to do. And that's been amplified, unfortunately, 227 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.120 during this pandemic with the countless number of zoom meetings that managers and leaders 228 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:45.360 want to have with their teams, and it's taking a toll on a lot 229 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.519 of people because they're like, wait a minute, I got to do all 230 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:51.759 of this. And then toss in the fact that so many people became full 231 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:56.080 time school teachers during this pandemic and we all figured out, wait a minute, 232 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:00.679 our kids are in school round the same time that I work. Okay, 233 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:04.319 how's that going to work? And it doesn't and we need to quit 234 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:08.559 trying to make it work because it just doesn't. So people that have done 235 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:15.240 well, so to speak, during this pandemic have been able to adjust their 236 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.240 working hours accordingly to be able to do the things they need to do. 237 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:21.640 With their kids get the work done that they need to do in a way 238 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:25.799 that you know is an impacting the business and not taking a big toll on 239 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:29.519 their on their health. So the next step, after you know what's everything 240 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.680 going on in my life, is just start really keeping track of how you 241 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:38.640 spend your time, and a deeper exercise on that is try to batch things 242 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:42.720 together that are similar in nature. You know, for me, I'll peel 243 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:48.000 back the curtain of my calendar for a moment here, because I speak publicly, 244 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:53.279 Monday's I dedicate for doing research, for speaking and reaching out to conferences 245 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:56.799 and event managers and all of that kind of good stuff. You know, 246 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.000 I did that earlier today, so that's been done. To days are for 247 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.519 intro calls or follow up phone calls with people. Wednesdays tends to be the 248 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:10.119 day that I record my show. Thursdays and Fridays I don't schedule. Now 249 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:14.799 that doesn't mean I take two days off. Sometimes I do, including the 250 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:19.359 weekend of course, but I leave those days unscheduled and the reason why is 251 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:25.160 if something comes up on Monday or Tuesday or even Wednesday and they need to 252 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.920 have a follow up call or there's an opportunity, whether it's a speak engagement 253 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:33.160 or follow up on a client call or doing research on something. I've got 254 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.119 two days that I don't have anything booked. It's it's a lot of elbow 255 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.680 room to play with. Now, of course, you got to be careful 256 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:45.119 and you need to schedule accordingly so you don't overwhelm yourself before the weekend, 257 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.279 because we see time and time again people load up their schedules, whether if 258 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:53.240 they're working for somebody or even as an entrepreneur, and then the weekend comes 259 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:56.319 in and there's still in that hamster wheel. Okay, I got to do 260 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.519 this. How I do this? I got to grow my business, I 261 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:00.960 got to get sales. I all we I get it, believe me, 262 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:06.920 I know. But the problem is when you're doing that type of work on 263 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:11.359 fumes, you're not doing good work and you're missing opportunities because you don't have 264 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:15.880 the clarity to look for the opportunities. You're just chasing something and you're going 265 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.920 so fast you're going to drive right past an opportunity because you won't see it. 266 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.680 So you need to scale it back. You need to block off time 267 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:26.799 where you are taking care of yourself, and that can be a variety of 268 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.279 different things, as long as it's not work. And the more you do 269 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:36.880 that, the more you'll get in rhythm of how you're your body, your 270 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:41.000 energy levels and all those things play out, because when you do that it 271 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:45.279 makes for such an easier way to move through your work day and your personal 272 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:51.519 life, without all the jagged, sharp left turns, sharp right turns to 273 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.799 so many of us end up doing, because we have to switch gears and 274 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.519 do things all the time and it really takes a toll on us when we 275 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:00.799 do that. So that's that's a next big step to do and once you 276 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.759 get that in play, a lot of the other things you can do make 277 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.559 make it a lot easier to to live a life that's got a lot less 278 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:15.400 stress in it. Yeah, and it's you, he like. I don't 279 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:18.279 know, maybe maybe we were meant to have those conversation because you're you're kind 280 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:23.960 of teaching me here. My big thing right is is well, I love 281 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:27.920 how you said, let's schedule days were very specific events and let's stock, 282 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:33.319 let'St that, because and what I find myself doing it if, if I 283 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.079 don't do something like that, if I don't really try to organize things that 284 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.839 were it makes sense. In a flow. I find myself jumping from you 285 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.559 know, I call it my something Chinese Syndrome. Right, I'll get an 286 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:48.079 idea something I'm supposed to do and because I don't have it scheduled on a 287 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.519 day, I stop what I'm doing now take care of that then try to 288 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.960 get back to this. But that never happens because while I was doing this, 289 00:20:56.039 --> 00:21:00.720 something shiny and I was it's just it just, you know, goes 290 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.920 into this endless cycle of mean not really ever completing the task, and that 291 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.400 this builds up on that stress because now I feel like I'm doing all this 292 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.720 work and nothing's getting done, and that's that's been a big thing for me. 293 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.279 And with the covid piece that you were saying, it's been huge because 294 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:19.279 I had to really do that schedule as well, with my kids being at 295 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.680 home and I'm doing work and I have this and that to really trying to 296 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:26.519 juggle that, and so it was a big learning experience with with covid and 297 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:30.359 and even now, like I think it's really what made me aware of this 298 00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:36.599 idea that I do this. So is this something not I it can't just 299 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:38.880 be me. There has to be the vast majority of people out there have 300 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:44.559 something shaging syndrome. Oh yeah, the shiny object disease. I've heard all 301 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.240 kinds of ways to describe it, but it's there. It happens to me 302 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:52.119 all the time. You get even case in point, this morning I'm working 303 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:57.160 on, you know, doing some research on speaking engagements, and email chimed 304 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:02.799 in and I should have emails open because that's usually how I reach a lot 305 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:06.440 of the event planners. So I would normally sit shut down the email, 306 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:10.359 but I need it open so I can you send the actual message. Email 307 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:12.759 came in. I glanced at it and you know, that was about a 308 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:17.799 fifteen minute rabbit hole. You know that I could have done later. It 309 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:19.160 didn't need to do it right there and then, but I you know, 310 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.599 just like what you said, and I'm just as guilty of it. I'm 311 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:25.359 human, you know. Just because you know I live a life that's free 312 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:30.319 from burnout doesn't mean that I don't, you know, have challenging opportunity these 313 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.559 or things come up. So it happens. The key is when you get 314 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:40.440 those momentary interruptions, whether it's a thought or a message or an inquiry or 315 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:44.640 whatever the case may be, come up with a mechanism for you to capture 316 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.599 that. To go back to it, because if you're working, doing the 317 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.880 deep work, and Cal Newport's book deep work is a great book to read. 318 00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:56.720 It helps kind of time block things a little bit better. But when 319 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:03.640 you when you're working in this period of time zone, if you if you 320 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:08.880 can't prevent the interruption, at least have a mechanism where you can quickly document 321 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:11.720 it, save it do something with and so I'm going to go back to 322 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:18.279 that in a moment. But let me finish this because you're not alone. 323 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:22.799 A ton of people have, you know, their desks littered with eighty five 324 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:30.119 percent complete projects on or tasks or ideas and they don't finish because there's so 325 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.880 many of them. And that's it's one of the things that catches a lot 326 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:38.559 of people off to because so many of us have amazing ideas or people present 327 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.599 us amazing ideas that make a ton of sense. Like yeah, that's great, 328 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:47.359 but does it fit with where you want your business or the work you're 329 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:51.519 doing right now? Right now? Is this something that would immediately impact things 330 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:55.960 right now, or is it something that would be beneficial maybe six months or 331 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:57.960 year down the road, or maybe two years or five years, you don't 332 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:03.640 know. But it's a case where, when you're looking at those things, 333 00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:07.480 if you can slow down and look at those things the time that you allocate 334 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.759 to look at them, then you'll have the clarity to determine, okay, 335 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:15.000 the shiny thing, is this actually something that's good, that would benefit me, 336 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:19.599 or is it just the latest greatest whatever, whether it's, you know, 337 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.160 clubhouse, for example. I know a lot of people are using that 338 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:27.440 and and now that it's available on Android, obviously it opens it up to 339 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:32.039 a lot more people. So it's a case where, as an entrepreneur, 340 00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:33.920 a lot of people think, will I should get on that. It's like, 341 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:37.599 okay, but you just launched your podcast as well, and you're writing 342 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.440 this blog post and you're doing this, you're doing it. It's like, 343 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.000 what, what do you want to do? You know what? What? 344 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.920 What's the mission of Your Business, or is an individual or where you work? 345 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.480 What? What's your role? What do you do? You know, 346 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:56.039 try to be narrow in doing the work that you do. I'm nothing against 347 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.880 clubhouse. I've used it. I know a colleagues of mine that are doing 348 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.160 quite well with it. For me, it's like yeah, I mean it's 349 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.839 something that may work, be something beneficial for me. But again, when 350 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.359 I look at my schedule, the way that I have my schedule allocated, 351 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.720 I looked and go, okay, if I add that in, what am 352 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:21.759 I taking away? Because I'm not going to have it interrupt my self care 353 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.400 or relaxation time. Not Cutting that out. I did that before. I 354 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:32.279 got two stints in my heart to demonstrate that was the way used to do 355 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:36.680 things. Won't do that again. So you know, it's it boils down 356 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:41.759 to. Not to make people negative, but for me a lot of things 357 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:47.240 that come at me, my initial default before I say anything, it's like, 358 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:52.920 okay, the answer is no, but let me look at it and 359 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.400 a glance at it, because we every time we say yes, is something 360 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.640 one of course for saying no to something else and it takes away from all 361 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:03.599 the things we've said yes to. So and it's easy to do because again, 362 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:08.000 like I said a couple moments ago, everything that we do is entrepreneurs 363 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.640 or people that we work with or companies and all of that. A lot 364 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:17.079 of ideas that come to mind are great ideas, they're great concepts or yes, 365 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.200 that would be amazing, but does it fit with what we're doing right 366 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:25.880 now. Is that where we should be going? Because unless it's in great 367 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:30.279 alignment with other things you're doing and it doesn't take away from you and your 368 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:34.960 time, you need to do your your own wellbeing and be the best employee, 369 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.079 your best business owner you can be, then you have to say, 370 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.720 I can't do that right now, even though it's amazing, I just can't 371 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.279 do that right now. 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Then you won't accomplish that and you're losing out from accomplishing that. 395 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.400 So in that sense, I mean if you're going to look at it 396 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:55.119 in the scarcity piece, then yeah, you're missing out either way you go. 397 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:59.839 So, but this idea that someone's going to make millions there, four 398 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.200 millions won't be available to me. We had to stop thinking that way because 399 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.160 it's always there and clubhouse. It's a good it's a good piece. It's 400 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.400 pretty cool on with you like and I can see some pieces that I utilize 401 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.680 in some aspects of my life with it, but it did fit into that 402 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.640 arena. Now I've had people talk to me like you should get on this 403 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:22.079 platform and that platform and this platform, like that's it's too many platforms. 404 00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:26.039 I let me, let me establish this one and took talk in all that 405 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.799 stuff. Whatever. If you're going to be a talk if you're going to 406 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.519 be on the Graham, they'll more likely they're going to be there after you 407 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.839 established this one social media and you got get that going through it. So 408 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.640 we had to stop thinking about this idea that I'm going to miss out on 409 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.799 stuff, because we're really not. It's that there's so many individuals out there 410 00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:48.319 that this other individual who already got millions isn't going to reach and their story 411 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.359 is going to reach that person. So that's that's a really good mindset piece 412 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.079 to start thinking more of this growth that I can get to, I can 413 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.119 get to clubhouse and a few months that's what. I'm done with this piece. 414 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.839 And they're still be people there who have never even heard of pass or 415 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:08.400 let's clubhouse. There are people who have no idea how to get on instagram 416 00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.119 or and there's they're learning just as the way as you are. So it's 417 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.039 it is a piece that will be there in the future. So don't worry 418 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:18.799 about it, just do what you got to do and make it happen. 419 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.960 Absolutely so. And so then the mind pit set piece, because here this 420 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.079 is, this is all great that we're talking about. Right, let's shift 421 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:30.480 this, let's shift that, let's shift this. But we as humans, 422 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:34.839 are we're going to habit like if and if it's not something like you had 423 00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:41.720 this this heart attack that really shifted everything, like it forced you to develop 424 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:47.599 this new mindset and it weighed that saying I'm shifting because I'm not going back 425 00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:52.079 here. But for those who haven't had that, you know, catastrophic moment 426 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.279 for themselves, it can't be easy for them to say, all right, 427 00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.759 well, let me take the in inventory, let me start scheduling this, 428 00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:06.319 because they just automatically switch into that habitual state of working twelve, thirteen, 429 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.559 fourteen, fifteen hours a day. So what I mean how is how do 430 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.799 they overcome that piece? Yeah, it's a difficult one. Any habit, 431 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:19.319 whether it's a new habit to do something that's beneficial or habits that aren't serving 432 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:26.240 you, it's pattern. It's difficult to change those things. And hopefully you 433 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:32.519 don't have a significant event such as a cardick event or health scare or job 434 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.240 loss or, you know, financial difficulties, all those things that can really 435 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:40.559 turn your life upside down. Hopefully you can prevent those. But if there's 436 00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.240 things you want to make adjustments in your life or change. A lot of 437 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.279 people hear the word change and they freak out, but you change is the 438 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:51.640 only constant life. But a lot of times I use the phrase adjustment because 439 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.079 I think they go, okay, I can adjust this and this. It's 440 00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:59.200 it's micro steps, it's it and it's instead of saying, okay, well, 441 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:00.400 I'm going to do this, I'm going to lose the weight, I'm 442 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.319 going to eat nothing but Kale Salads, I'm it all these dramatic things and 443 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.119 they put all this pressure on themselves to do that and you know, they 444 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.559 weigh them and say they want to lose weight, so they're gonna do all 445 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:17.400 this. I'm going to do this, and they weigh themselves the next day 446 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:23.839 and they gain two pounds and they're like what? And but I ate nothing 447 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:29.160 but Kale Salad and I had the protein shake that tasted like dirt. Not 448 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.440 all of them do. I drink them. Then I have something that takes 449 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:36.839 really good, but some of them don't, but they'd. So they do 450 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.000 all this and then like and they get frustrated, like okay, I'm not 451 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:42.480 seeing it's like, and I always tell people it's like look, how long 452 00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:47.079 did it take you to get into this pattern? You know, let's say 453 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.200 you know you've been working too many hours and you want to scale that back. 454 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:52.559 Well, how long have you been doing that? I've been doing that 455 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:57.440 for three or four years. Okay, you're expecting to change that in a 456 00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:02.319 day or a week? You're putting way too much pressure on yourself. He's 457 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:08.559 into it. Celebrate those small victories. So if you're working those hours, 458 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.359 we have to look and go Kay, what am I doing? And that 459 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.680 goes back to that time tracking thing, which I'm easily able to do that 460 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.359 because my first career was public accounting and we build clients. So I had 461 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.119 to keep track of you know, every fifteen minutes or so. So I 462 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:28.240 I know how to track time a document really well. Most people don't. 463 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:30.720 So it's just even starting with that, it's like, okay, what what 464 00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.920 tool would be easy for me to keep track of my time? could be 465 00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.000 Google calendar, could be a piece paper, whatever works for you. Figure 466 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:45.039 out what that tool is and and getting the habit of using it. But 467 00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.759 by analyzing your time and again looking at how you're spending things, you can 468 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.880 go okay, maybe instead of saying okay, I want to, you know, 469 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:58.640 reduce my hours from fifteen hours a day down to let's say ten. 470 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:05.559 Well, don't try to cut out five. It wants increments, small increments, 471 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:07.880 even if it's a half hour last, you know, send them alarm 472 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:12.280 on your phone or, you know, just are on your computer. Just 473 00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.800 you try all small baby steps and see what happens. What what likely happens 474 00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:22.360 is, especially those people that are working those long hours, is it changes 475 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:28.280 the directive, it and it changes the basically the language of okay, I've 476 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.760 got instead of this fifteen hour day, I'm going to work. I know 477 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:37.000 today I'm only going to be working twelve okay. So you get really focused 478 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:42.639 on what you're doing and you start getting pinpointing on those times where you're not 479 00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.639 necessarily focused and not necessarily working, because anybody's working fifteen hour days unless they're 480 00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.400 doing like manual labor or something like that. There are breaks in there, 481 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.159 there are times where you're not doing anything. You might be staring at your 482 00:34:55.159 --> 00:35:00.000 screen, you're checking emails, whatever. So you figure out, you get 483 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.960 really efficient about how you're spending your time and it cuts out a lot of 484 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:09.599 the slack time where you're not necessarily focused on things. Then you start noticing, 485 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:14.519 okay, I'm getting a little bit more efficient and doing this work, 486 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.519 and then you can say okay, now I'm going efficient this. Now let's 487 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:21.199 try this, and you get more efficient and that type of task and then 488 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.679 you realize, wait a minute, now that I've eliminated all these interruptions and 489 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:30.480 I'm not checking my iphone all the time, then okay, I'm getting this 490 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:32.559 done a little bit quicker. And next thing you know they're like wow, 491 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:38.280 I just saved like two hours a day just by making these adjustments. That's 492 00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:44.920 ten hours a week. That's huge. So the time is there. It's 493 00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:47.239 just a case of being more aware of how you're spending your time, and 494 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.719 then you get more clarity and you get more deep focused on what you're working 495 00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.159 on. Again, going back to the grouping of tasks and all of that, 496 00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:00.880 when you work on like tasks together, it's easy here for your brain 497 00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.000 and you because you're already in that momentum of doing that kind of work. 498 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.880 And then that way, you know, okay, on Tuesday's I work on 499 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.840 spreadsheet reports. Right. Well, then you know that's what you're going to 500 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.280 be working on that day and you're mentally prepared for it. You may hate 501 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.519 it, but at least you know that's what you're working on that day and 502 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:24.320 you get through it. And again there's efficiencies because it's it's basically hacking your 503 00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.480 time in a way and figuring out what's important to you, what are the 504 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:35.079 things you can work on together, focus and just do that. You know, 505 00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.400 when you're working on a spreadsheet and you're looking at your phone and you're 506 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.960 playing on Tick Tock, are you listening to music, or whatever the case 507 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.960 may be, you're trying to do five or six things at once. Certain 508 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:50.719 are on it down and do one thing at once and you'll realize that you'll 509 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.159 get it done a lot faster and likely a lot with more productivity and less 510 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:59.480 errors, which means you won't be spending as much time on it, which 511 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:05.320 means you're not needing to put in those long days as much because you're getting 512 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.760 more efficient at the work you're doing. Yeah, when I think that's it's 513 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.320 a crazy important point that we again, we try to take on too much 514 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.719 to begin with, and so we we that's what we do. We try 515 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.679 to make the changes, we try to take on too much, and so 516 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.679 I love that. A little baby steps and let's just implement this time change 517 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.239 a little bit. And you know, if we cut off the interruptions like 518 00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.639 in why you were saying that. The thing that really is or jepped out 519 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:36.000 to me is that we we can have open door policies and not make it 520 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:37.920 happen like I have an open door policy, you can come to me from 521 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:43.320 this time to this time, because my kids their schools right and that this 522 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.280 is what I just hit me, is that when covid happened, these teachers 523 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:51.199 had to really adjust the way that they did things and and they said, 524 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.559 okay, I have open hours now, from this time to this time, 525 00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:58.920 and if you don't meet me in there tomorrow is the same thing. And 526 00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.360 so what they really had to be strict about when they could take those, 527 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.079 those the kids as questions and talk with the parents, because everything just shifted 528 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:09.719 for them. And so that's that's one way that we can look at things 529 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.840 moving forward is like, okay, well, what's this one little piece that 530 00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.960 I can do to free me the time to work on this, to get 531 00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:22.199 me down to that twelve hours instead of fifteen hours. And it seems hard 532 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.199 at first, but is that awareness. So now we're aware of everything. 533 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:30.320 This just this episode right now being sent out to all these people going, 534 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:31.840 all right, I have this awareness of what I want to do. That 535 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:38.760 awareness alone well trigger things when saying, all right, I need to work 536 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:43.000 on this, and you'll find yourself trying to slip into that. But because 537 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.519 you're aware of that, you go oh, okay, and then you can 538 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:47.679 make that adjustment. You can make that correction, but not when we're trying 539 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:52.280 to do fifteen million things at once. It's just that one little item that 540 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.440 we can do and then build upon that. So it's that's that was a 541 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:59.039 beautiful statement. Yeah, thank you. I know one of the biggest lies 542 00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.440 you ever hear in the work places. Do you have a minute? It 543 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.599 won't be a minute, it's going to be five minutes, ten minutes, 544 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.440 fifteen minutes, which takes you off of what you need to do. So 545 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:14.199 that open door policy is is great, you know, but you know say 546 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:19.039 it's open door between this time and this time. That way it controls when 547 00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.360 you're available and when you're not, so you can work on the things that 548 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.039 you want to get done. And those simple adjustments make a big, big 549 00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.199 difference and get you doing that deep work like I talked about before, and 550 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.960 you'll get mull likelihood. You're going to get those things done faster if you're 551 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:40.239 not bouncing around between ten different things. You're focusing on just getting that done. 552 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.920 And when you do that and you start doing that in every other aspect 553 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.480 of all the things you work on, you're going to be more efficient, 554 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:52.920 you're going to get things that's done faster and you're going to have clarity around. 555 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.000 Okay, why did I get that done so much faster? What did 556 00:39:55.000 --> 00:40:00.119 I learn? Anything by doing it quicker without interruption that I can apply to 557 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.440 other things that I'm working on next thing. You know, you're getting a 558 00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:09.079 lot more done and less time and you're not fatigued and wiped out from it, 559 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:15.199 as you're not being pulled in eighteen different directions. It's time blocking and 560 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.320 minimizing your interruptions. Are, you know, one and two, as far 561 00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.519 as you know, some of the top things you can do to reduce stress 562 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.320 and prevent burnout. Yeah, so let's talk about your book format, because 563 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.320 I want to make sure I get that in there before that the new book 564 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:34.760 and it's burnout proven. So I wouldn't for readers. Are you just giving 565 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:39.840 them these types of strategy, strategies and tactics to really kind of help them 566 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:45.000 with that? Yeah, I wrote the book with the premise of to define 567 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.800 what burnout is, and in the book as well, I take the word 568 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.840 burn out and I each letter in the word burnout stands for something. So 569 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:58.920 be is for boundaries, use for unhappy, ours for rhythm and is for 570 00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:04.159 neglect. Oh, is for offside, you is upheaval, and then tea 571 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.159 is for time, and I go into detail on how all of those things 572 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:13.119 impact stress and and create burnout in your life if you don't have those things 573 00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.920 under control. And you know, I talked about you know what burnout looks 574 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:20.679 like, and then some things that you can do to stop burnout, and 575 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.760 it's tracks. The deeper work, of course, is figuring out why you 576 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:29.280 burned out the first place, and that's where a lot of self reflection and 577 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.639 working with people to kind of get your head wrapped around what that looks like. 578 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:37.480 And then I was supposed to release this book a little over a year 579 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:43.199 ago and then the pandemic hit, and I'm glad that I waited because with 580 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.159 the pandemic and working from home, I realized, okay, I need to 581 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.679 add a covid nineteen, or working from home chapter to the book, which 582 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:54.039 I did, which talks about the burnout that we've seen and working from home 583 00:41:54.039 --> 00:42:00.800 and some things you can do to help minimize that. In this hopefully temporary 584 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:05.320 doesn't feel like temporary for many of us, but I think in many cases 585 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.480 we are turning that last lap, basically, and heading for the finish line 586 00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:15.639 on this or at least something that's going to be a little bit more resembling 587 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:22.119 what normal was prior to the pandemic, and I think from that we'll see 588 00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.880 how things go. So the book is written in such a way where it's 589 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:30.480 it's a fairly quick read and that was intentional because I didn't want to give 590 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.960 somebody a five hundred page manifesto, because most people won't read that type of 591 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:40.199 a book unless it's a novel or fiction or something like that, or Harry 592 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.079 Potter book or whatever. They're not going to read that because it's not it. 593 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.159 This is more of a here's what it is, here's some things you 594 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:53.880 can do and here's the instructions. Go and in, in implement those things, 595 00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:59.840 and the feedback that I received so far has been it's been amazing to 596 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.920 be able to make some changes in ease my burnout, you know, as 597 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.719 fast as they did, and that's what the intent is. BURNOUT is one 598 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.440 of those treadmills we think once we're on it we can't get off of it 599 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.920 quickly, but you actually can, and the steps are fairly easy to reduce 600 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.199 burnout in your life and be done with it. But again, you know, 601 00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.800 the deeper work is to figure out why you burned out in the first 602 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.920 place and implement some things in your life so you don't burn out again. 603 00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:31.119 I agree with you. I think that people are we're getting back to somewhat 604 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:36.400 up a normal state, at least in some places. Some places are still 605 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.519 kind of there. But I think there's there's going to be two things and 606 00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:42.119 I think the book and what we're talking about here is going to be key 607 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.800 to both. So yes, if we go back to work, it's a 608 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:49.599 lot of that is Allevia, because I think what covid did is it brought 609 00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.559 everything home. We didn't realize because, you know, we used to have 610 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.800 be able to cut time off, like worktime, family time. This time 611 00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:00.840 and that was all the same place and we don't have these separate areas to 612 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.239 go to it. So it was really hard for a lot of us to 613 00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.800 transition into that. So now, when people are able to go back to 614 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.440 work, they can do that and some of that Burnett will happen. But 615 00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:15.840 I feel like some organizations now have realized the you know, we can do 616 00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.400 a lot of this stuff from home. So this is where the book and 617 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.360 everything we're talking about is still key, because if this is going to be 618 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:27.199 your new norm, then you really need to figure out what we're talking about 619 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.920 is, what are these things, and let's take the inventory of our time 620 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.960 and and what that looks like. And then if we're experiencing burnout than here 621 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.480 the steps to really to really take that. And you're absolutely right. It's 622 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:42.880 not a treadmill, this isn't a it's not a rat. Well right, 623 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.400 we can jump off rats, get off the wheels all the time. So 624 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:47.800 we can, we can do we can do it too, and so it's 625 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.519 just a beautiful thing. And so I think, I think a book it 626 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:58.960 and I'm gladuated because it is definitely a need of point in the world today. 627 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:05.280 So I a with the book and then now with your you're speaking, 628 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.519 because I want to talk about because I want to make sure I cover everything 629 00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:09.400 that you do, because I know you're resonating with people. You have to 630 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:14.320 be in so, like if they want, you know, like organizations or 631 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.840 something. Are you know, my employees are filling this burn I know they 632 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.679 are, especially the covid know. What are you? What are your speaking 633 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.239 engagement look like? You do you go to organizations? You just do. 634 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.320 So tell me a little bit about that. So people are, you know, 635 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.199 within the organizations, are looking to say I could really use Michael's help 636 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:36.000 on this one or so how what does that look like? I appreciate that. 637 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.400 Yeah, I speak at conferences across the globe. Of course, over 638 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.960 the last couple of years it's been virtual, but starting to do some in 639 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.599 person things and which is is great. Didn't realize how much I'd miss it 640 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:51.559 until till you don't get to do it. But also going in to organizations 641 00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:55.639 and working with their teams on having a burnout proof type organization. What are 642 00:45:55.679 --> 00:46:00.960 some things that they're goingization can do? And it's a communication thing between the 643 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:06.199 employees and the in the management to make sure that everyone's on the same page 644 00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.239 with what needs to be done and everyone's fully aware. Okay, if that's 645 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:13.960 what needs to be done, this is what it will take. And do 646 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.639 we have the resources now to do all of that or do we need to 647 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:22.360 realign some things and add here or, you know, make some adjustments in 648 00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.400 a couple areas? And again that's a it's conversation that I have with the 649 00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.239 employers and with the employees, because the last thing you want to do is 650 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.280 consultants go in and and make all the employees man at the managers. That's 651 00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:37.679 usually not how they want that to end up. So it's a communication with 652 00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:42.280 both sides of the parties and I do some one on one as well. 653 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.239 You know, it all depends on you know, you know what the situation 654 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.239 is. I've worked with, as we said in the onset, you know, 655 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:54.000 fortune five hundred based executives and right down to small business owners and their 656 00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:00.119 teams. Because my original career, as I mentioned earlier, is public accounting. 657 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:02.840 I did a lot of audits for pretty much every type of organization under 658 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:08.760 the Sun. So I have awareness of what these organizations are like and some 659 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:15.599 of the individual challenges that are particular sector has that's different from others, but 660 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.000 a lot of them have a lot of similarities. And burnout, unfortunately, 661 00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.920 doesn't care what sector you're right, it impacts everyone. So I love working 662 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:28.079 with organizations and, you know, making sure that their employees are healthy, 663 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.400 because if they're healthy then they can be productive in a way, they can 664 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.920 make better products and services, and that's what you and I is consumers and 665 00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:42.920 society reaps the benefits from that. Is when employees are healthy then they're making 666 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.519 better stuff, which means as consumers, you and I are getting better stuff 667 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:49.119 and it just makes the world so much better. So, you know, 668 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.840 that's my mission to work with teams and and, you know, speak at 669 00:47:52.880 --> 00:48:00.079 events to bring awareness to burn out and help people get off of that treadmill 670 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.880 and live a life that they deserve to live. Yeah, awesome. That's 671 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.559 that's that's awesome. So if people will, will cover two things. Your 672 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:12.760 one, because we're running we're getting close time. So one, where can 673 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.239 they get your book? And if you too, if they want to utilize 674 00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.760 your services, how do they get in touch with you? Yeah, the 675 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.800 book. You can find it on Amazon or Barnson Noble. I know you 676 00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.639 can order it online and Barns and noble. I don't know if any stores 677 00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:29.360 have it yet. With pandemic all of that, everything's print pretty much shifted 678 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:31.920 to online, but you can order it and have it deliver it to your 679 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.360 local Barnson noble and Amazon, of course you can order it there. And 680 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:43.039 then to find me, breakfast leadershipcom is the main site on most of the 681 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.559 social media channels as well. If you look under the letter be and then 682 00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:50.239 fast leadership. Don't put that on a license plate, by the way, 683 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:53.840 and you are you look up Hashtag breakfast leadership. You can find me on 684 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:58.239 most of the social media channels. Be Happy to have a conversation with you. 685 00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:00.719 Awesome, Mikel want to thank you so much. It was really I 686 00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.760 learned a lot in this conversation right and, like I said, like I 687 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:07.519 felt like you're here tch be because these are things, some things that I 688 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.960 was struggling with you and I know that I'm not the only one. There's 689 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.920 so many people out there. So I'm so grateful that you took the time 690 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.000 to come out and or come on and and just share your stories, share 691 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.559 your wisdom and your knowledge and and I know people are going to going to 692 00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:24.440 benefit from it. So thank you so much. Thank you very much. 693 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:28.920 Appreciate it all right, and with everybody else, I'm going to sign up, 694 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:35.119 but we will be talking soon. Thanks for tuning in. 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