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Hey, Dr g here. Thank
you for listening to moving up stream without
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a paddle. I would like to
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a part of this continuously growing show. Let's get connected and inspire the world
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together. How's it going everybody?
I am back again and this time with
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my guest, Michael let it.
Michael is a the founder and chief burnout
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officer of the breakfast leadership network.
That's the San Diego and Toronto based burnout
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media firm. He is a keynote
speaker, he hosts of the breakfast leadership
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show, the certified MLP and CBT
therapist, a fortune five hundred consultant and
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the author of the new book burnout
proof. And I'm excited to have this
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conversation because burnout the big thing.
It's a huge thing in the world today
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and it's a good thing to talk
about so we will be having that conversation
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with Michael coming up right after this. Welcome to moving up stream without a
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paddle, the podcast that helps develop
a mindset for success. I'm your host,
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Dr Garrett Coggins, but most people
call me Dr G. I dedicated
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in my life to helping others understand
that if you have the proper mindset,
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you can propel yourself up that proverbial
stream with no paddle needing. After constantly
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feeling like you're going against the flow, but you're never happy with your results,
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it's really time to flip your mindset. If that's something that you're ready
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to do, you've come to the
right place. Now let's get to it.
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Hello, Michael, welcome to the
show. Great to be with you.
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Dr G. I'm a platter to
have you. So how are you
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doing? Is this a good Monday
for you? It is a great Monday
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for me. The Sun is out, it's warm outside, so it feels
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great thinking about doing the show outside, but there's too much noise. It
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sound quality to be horrible for a
show like this, so I thought,
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well, we'll go indoor, so
I'll get plenty of outdoor time today.
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Yeah, definitely am outdoor time is
a good thing to do. So I'm
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anxious to get started on this because
I there's a lot talk through, you
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know, my inner circles and people
outside of that that are really in that
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burnout stage. Covids really messed with
some people and they're just and you would
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think that just working in general would
burn you out, but there's so many
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aspects of life that can they can
cause that burnout. So what I like
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to do is just, if you
don't mind, I'm just give you center
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stage and let you talk about where
it is you do and why you do
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it and how you got there,
and then what does the conversation go from
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there? Sounds Great. You have. Burnout is definitely impacting a lot of
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people and it's been amplified during this
pandemic. And I was initially wrong on
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my assessment about that, because I
thought when everyone was sent home back in
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March of two thousand and twenty two
work remotely, I thought that maybe,
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just maybe, people would work little
bit less hours in a day and start
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getting a little bit more harmony about
their life. And I was completely wrong
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on that assessment because the opposite happened. People started working more hours, which
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is really problematic. But you burn
out as one of those things that has
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been around for a long time.
It has. It's not something that just
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popped up during this pandemic. There
was a book that was actually published in
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the late s titled Burnout, so
it's been around for a long time,
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but it's definitely taken a toll for
the worst over the last few years for
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sure, and of course this pandemic
is amplified it now. How I got
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into the burnout story and how I
got into this work was my own personal
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experience with burnout, which was pretty
catastrophic for me. Back in two thousand
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and seven I was hired as a
healthcare executive just outside of Windsor, Ontario,
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Canada, a dual citizen, originally
grew up in Michigan and immigrated to
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Canada in two thousand and four.
Became am a citizen in two thousand and
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eleven, which allows me to joke
and say I can vote and screw up
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two countries, but then I leave
it there. I don't tell people who
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I vote for because half your audience
to be mad at me. So so
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I don't want you know I we
all want to get a lot. We
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all have you know our pluses and
some things we could improve on. But
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but this role was much like a
start up and was start up health organization,
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but I was an employee, but
I was treating it as if it
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was my business. In a lot
of entrepreneurs put in some insane hours,
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and I did. I was working
basically six am to eleven pm, seven
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days a week, and I did
that for two solid years and that really
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took a toll on me, both
mentally and physically during that time. Because
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you're working all those hours, you're
not getting in a lot of activity and,
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as you know, many people know
and recognize, when you're an executive,
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you tend to get the really good
parking spot where you work, so
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you're not walking very far to get
into your workplace and my clinic at the
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time was rather small, so I
wasn't getting in any steps at all,
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which I think a lot of people
you know, may be encountering during this
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pandemic as well, because we're not
walking around our office, we're walking around
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our house and tends to be a
little bit smaller, unless you have a
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really big home, and congratulations,
but for most of us we're not getting
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in the activity and I certainly wasn't, and my nutrition plan was basically breakfast,
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lunch and dinner, ordering food through
a microphone and driving around the corner,
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paying for it and getting handed a
brown bag. I wasn't eating anything
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that had any nutritional value and at
all. You all came to crashing halt
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and may have two thousand and nine. We're over a period of three hundred
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sixty nine days, so from May
two thousand and my Usan may two thousand
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and nine, to May two thousand
and ten, the following happened. I
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had a heart attack that should have
killed me, and then seventeen weeks later,
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I lost my job during the great
recession. Then a few months later,
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my car was repossessed and then finally, in May two thousand and ten,
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my home was foreclosed. All those
things happened to me in a year,
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and every one of those things happened
because I was burned out. When
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you're not taking care of yourself and
you're not really getting the amount of sleep
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you need to get eating well,
getting some activity and you start making mistakes
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at work, you stress out,
you're working too many hours and it,
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you know, nearly cost me of
my life. The cardiology just to put
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the stents in my left interior to
sending artery, which has a nickname in
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the cardiology world. It's called the
widow maker because usually, if you have
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blockages in that artery and you have
a heart attack, statistically speaking, most
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people die. Now, thankfully I
didn't. But before he performed the procedure,
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you know, he looked at me
and he said, you don't know
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how lucky you are to be alive
right now. And then I look back
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at him and I see, I
see you hip the betside manner course in
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your medical career, and he laughed. I laughed and you know, then
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they needed the procedure and and all
of that good stuff, but at the
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end of the day I was very
fortunate to be alive and after experiencing all
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of those losses, the thing that
you really hit home for me as I
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had a couple choices. I could
one continue down the path of living the
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way that I was living, which
nearly killed me, or I needed to
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make some pretty significant adjustments in my
life. But I didn't know what those
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adjustments were. I didn't know what
I needed to do. So I had
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to do a deep, dark,
quite frankly, dark when you go in,
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you're basically doing an autopsy on yourself
while you're still alive, and that
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was an interesting adventure for me.
I mean in my only regret is I
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didn't work with a therapist by doing
it. I think it would have been
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a little bit easier for me if
I would have done that, but I
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did. I did go through that
exercise and you had to reevaluate everything in
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my life, you know, my
who I believed in, who was in
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my family, who was in my
circle of friends? Why were things important
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to me? Why was it important
for me to work all those hours?
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What was I trying to prove,
and all of those things, you know,
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we're all put out on the table
for me to dissect. Now.
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I think that I did have a
couple good advisors and I told them what
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I was doing and I said won't
first thing is first, do not be
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judgmental about yourself. You're just observing, you're looking at it, you're going,
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okay, this is what I did. Okay, does that serve me
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going forward? If no, then
then don't do that. Do something different.
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And it was. It was a
really beneficial exercise. And before we
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go much further, I want to
warn everybody. But Ninety nine percent of
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the people that I've encountered that burnout
do not need to reinvent their life.
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So I don't want you thinking,
oh great, I'm burned out, so
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that means I have to change everything, including my favorite sports team. No,
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you don't have to do that.
Most people just have to make some
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simple adjustments in a few places which
will make a big difference and helping you
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reduce your stress, because burnout is
prolonged stress coupled with fatigue. You're overwhelmed,
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you're unable to meet demands and life
and you just you, you just
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can't do anything anymore. You're almost
paralyzed by all the stress and all that.
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So that's how burnout became part of
my life. And then, after
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recovering from all of that and reinventing
my life, I went back into healthcare.
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My parents wanted to have me committed
because they thought I was crazy to
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go back into the field that nearly
killed me, and I said I'm going
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to do this differently, and I
did, and I was back in that
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career for almost a decade and then, you know, I was looking around
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and started noticing a lot of my
colleagues and the healthcare sector. We're going
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down the same road that I did
and it alarmed me and I thought,
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Oh, this is not good,
because I know the challenges that healthcare faces.
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I know what society needs from healthcare
and we need more healthcare people and
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not less. So I thought I
need to do something about that. So
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I started talking with people and start
doing a little bit more research on burnout
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in was alarmed at the numbers that
I was seeing, even in the you
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know, mid you know two thousand
and sixteen. You know the stats that
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I was seeing then. We're alarming
and you know they're there catastrophic now from
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what everything I'm seeing. So I
thought, okay, I need to do
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something about this. My experience can
prove beneficial in having communication with people because
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I can say look, this is
what could happen to you. I don't
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want that for you. Here's what
I did to get back to normal.
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And then here in the things that
I've implemented in my life to make sure
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that I never burn out again,
and I haven't burned out since that,
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you know, stage and back in
two thousand and nine, because I know
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what the signs are, you know
what the fatigue feels like. I know
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what the stress feels like. So
I've got all kinds of warning lights to
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go off and kind of like on
your car, when all the lights are
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going off, you need to bring
in the mechanic. Thankfully, for me
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it's just usually an indicator going okay, I need to take a step back
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here because I'm feeling a little under
or overwhelmed I should say, in a
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particular moment time. So let's take
a step back and look at things and
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see how they're doing. So they
launched my business because of all the work
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and search, I didn't think there's
a lot here, so I started writing
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a lot and launched my own show, the breakfast leadership show, about four
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years ago and started speaking on stages
and it's taken off from there. So
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it's definitely keeping me somewhat out of
trouble working in in the burnout space.
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For sure. Yeah, there's there's
there's a lot to unfold there. But
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this, I think that this this
thing that people feel like, and I
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fall into this a lot and I
like to say that I have a little
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bit more of an awareness, but
even I will go into this idea that
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I have to do more I have
to do more. I have to do
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more, and I think that a
big shift for me was I was reading
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and in you square, the book, You Square, where he says you
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can only do so much right,
you can only try so hard, you
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can only work so hard and it
gets to a point where it starts becoming
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counter productive. And that's like what
we're this is what we're talking about here,
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that you know, when we when
we stretch ourselves to a limit,
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that it becomes unhealthy, it becomes
very kind of productive. And but just
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like you were saying with your story, that when you get these health concerns
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and you're not doing anything, if
you're in the hospital having, you know,
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surgery for a heart attack. So
so, what's that? What's that
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going to be looking like for everybody
else in here? So what to me,
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my question, I guess the first
question is what's what's the first step?
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I mean take the inventory and then
when you take that invatory, is
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it now is a task management?
Is it? What after the inventory piece,
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what's that next step to really say
okay, let's and I love how
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you digress a little bit. I
love how you said that you don't have
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to reinvent your life. It really
is just buying, tuning a little pieces
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here and there that I'll make it
happen. So inventory done with that.
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Next step. A big thing for
me was to really look and see how
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I was spending my time and and
even before my cardiac event, some consultants
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that we had worked with at that
clinic. You know, it was in
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my office and he looked at my
calendar and he made and he wasn't the
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first person to say this, but
some other people did too, but he
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he did it. You know,
I'm gonna put this kind of a very
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loving carrying, like grandparent type of
way, you know, put their arm
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around your shoulder, and what he
did with me as he looked at the
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counties to see. You know what, I'm not seeing any relaxation time on
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your calendar and, like many people, no one would say, okay,
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I'm going to relax. Okay,
let's put that on the calendar. It's
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just people, don't they? They
work too many hours. Everybody seems to
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be doing that. And Real quick, there was a study that was just
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recently released by the World Health Organization. Most of us are familiar with the
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work that they're doing, especially around
this pandemic, but they had statistics from
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two thousand and sixteen that indicated globally
over three quarters of a million people.
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So roughly seven hundred forty five thousand
people die every year due to heart disease
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or stroke, with the singular indicator
that they worked more than fifty five hours
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a week. Now, based on
the stats that I'm seeing from all other
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studies, now that that's five years
later, I'm pretty confident that number is
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pretty close to a million people a
year die because they work more than fifty
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five hours a week and they're dying
of a heart disease, are struck.
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It's and now obviously there's all their
ingredients in that. When you're working those
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many hours, you're not getting sleep, you're not resting, you're not eating
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while you'd all those other factors that
play a part in it. The keeping
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track of your time is so critical
because you need to see how you're working,
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because the point of diminishing returns kicks
in. So if you work sixteen
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hour day, you're not getting sixteen
hours out of productivity. You're lucky if
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you're getting for a lot of the
things that I've seeing is from a in
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an eighth hour shift. The productivity
of most human beings is less than four
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hours. So what are you doing
with those other four hours? Getting interrupted,
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struggling with trying to get things to
work, you don't have all the
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information for you to be able to
do your job, or your boss is
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calling a bunch of meetings or all
of these other things that are preventing you
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from doing what you were hired to
do. And that's been amplified, unfortunately,
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during this pandemic with the countless number
of zoom meetings that managers and leaders
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want to have with their teams,
and it's taking a toll on a lot
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of people because they're like, wait
a minute, I got to do all
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of this. And then toss in
the fact that so many people became full
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time school teachers during this pandemic and
we all figured out, wait a minute,
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our kids are in school round the
same time that I work. Okay,
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how's that going to work? And
it doesn't and we need to quit
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trying to make it work because it
just doesn't. So people that have done
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well, so to speak, during
this pandemic have been able to adjust their
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working hours accordingly to be able to
do the things they need to do.
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With their kids get the work done
that they need to do in a way
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that you know is an impacting the
business and not taking a big toll on
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their on their health. So the
next step, after you know what's everything
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going on in my life, is
just start really keeping track of how you
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spend your time, and a deeper
exercise on that is try to batch things
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together that are similar in nature.
You know, for me, I'll peel
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back the curtain of my calendar for
a moment here, because I speak publicly,
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Monday's I dedicate for doing research,
for speaking and reaching out to conferences
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and event managers and all of that
kind of good stuff. You know,
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I did that earlier today, so
that's been done. To days are for
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intro calls or follow up phone calls
with people. Wednesdays tends to be the
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day that I record my show.
Thursdays and Fridays I don't schedule. Now
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that doesn't mean I take two days
off. Sometimes I do, including the
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weekend of course, but I leave
those days unscheduled and the reason why is
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if something comes up on Monday or
Tuesday or even Wednesday and they need to
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have a follow up call or there's
an opportunity, whether it's a speak engagement
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or follow up on a client call
or doing research on something. I've got
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two days that I don't have anything
booked. It's it's a lot of elbow
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room to play with. Now,
of course, you got to be careful
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and you need to schedule accordingly so
you don't overwhelm yourself before the weekend,
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because we see time and time again
people load up their schedules, whether if
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they're working for somebody or even as
an entrepreneur, and then the weekend comes
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in and there's still in that hamster
wheel. Okay, I got to do
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this. How I do this?
I got to grow my business, I
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got to get sales. I all
we I get it, believe me,
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I know. But the problem is
when you're doing that type of work on
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fumes, you're not doing good work
and you're missing opportunities because you don't have
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the clarity to look for the opportunities. You're just chasing something and you're going
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so fast you're going to drive right
past an opportunity because you won't see it.
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So you need to scale it back. You need to block off time
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where you are taking care of yourself, and that can be a variety of
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different things, as long as it's
not work. And the more you do
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that, the more you'll get in
rhythm of how you're your body, your
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energy levels and all those things play
out, because when you do that it
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makes for such an easier way to
move through your work day and your personal
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life, without all the jagged,
sharp left turns, sharp right turns to
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so many of us end up doing, because we have to switch gears and
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do things all the time and it
really takes a toll on us when we
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do that. So that's that's a
next big step to do and once you
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get that in play, a lot
of the other things you can do make
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make it a lot easier to to
live a life that's got a lot less
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stress in it. Yeah, and
it's you, he like. I don't
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know, maybe maybe we were meant
to have those conversation because you're you're kind
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of teaching me here. My big
thing right is is well, I love
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how you said, let's schedule days
were very specific events and let's stock,
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let'St that, because and what I
find myself doing it if, if I
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don't do something like that, if
I don't really try to organize things that
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were it makes sense. In a
flow. I find myself jumping from you
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know, I call it my something
Chinese Syndrome. Right, I'll get an
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idea something I'm supposed to do and
because I don't have it scheduled on a
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day, I stop what I'm doing
now take care of that then try to
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get back to this. But that
never happens because while I was doing this,
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something shiny and I was it's just
it just, you know, goes
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into this endless cycle of mean not
really ever completing the task, and that
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this builds up on that stress because
now I feel like I'm doing all this
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work and nothing's getting done, and
that's that's been a big thing for me.
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And with the covid piece that you
were saying, it's been huge because
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I had to really do that schedule
as well, with my kids being at
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home and I'm doing work and I
have this and that to really trying to
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juggle that, and so it was
a big learning experience with with covid and
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and even now, like I think
it's really what made me aware of this
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idea that I do this. So
is this something not I it can't just
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be me. There has to be
the vast majority of people out there have
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something shaging syndrome. Oh yeah,
the shiny object disease. I've heard all
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kinds of ways to describe it,
but it's there. It happens to me
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all the time. You get even
case in point, this morning I'm working
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on, you know, doing some
research on speaking engagements, and email chimed
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in and I should have emails open
because that's usually how I reach a lot
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of the event planners. So I
would normally sit shut down the email,
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but I need it open so I
can you send the actual message. Email
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came in. I glanced at it
and you know, that was about a
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fifteen minute rabbit hole. You know
that I could have done later. It
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didn't need to do it right there
and then, but I you know,
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just like what you said, and
I'm just as guilty of it. I'm
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human, you know. Just because
you know I live a life that's free
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from burnout doesn't mean that I don't, you know, have challenging opportunity these
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or things come up. So it
happens. The key is when you get
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those momentary interruptions, whether it's a
thought or a message or an inquiry or
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whatever the case may be, come
up with a mechanism for you to capture
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that. To go back to it, because if you're working, doing the
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deep work, and Cal Newport's book
deep work is a great book to read.
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It helps kind of time block things
a little bit better. But when
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you when you're working in this period
of time zone, if you if you
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can't prevent the interruption, at least
have a mechanism where you can quickly document
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it, save it do something with
and so I'm going to go back to
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that in a moment. But let
me finish this because you're not alone.
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A ton of people have, you
know, their desks littered with eighty five
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percent complete projects on or tasks or
ideas and they don't finish because there's so
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many of them. And that's it's
one of the things that catches a lot
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of people off to because so many
of us have amazing ideas or people present
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us amazing ideas that make a ton
of sense. Like yeah, that's great,
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but does it fit with where you
want your business or the work you're
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doing right now? Right now?
Is this something that would immediately impact things
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right now, or is it something
that would be beneficial maybe six months or
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year down the road, or maybe
two years or five years, you don't
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know. But it's a case where, when you're looking at those things,
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if you can slow down and look
at those things the time that you allocate
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to look at them, then you'll
have the clarity to determine, okay,
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the shiny thing, is this actually
something that's good, that would benefit me,
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or is it just the latest greatest
whatever, whether it's, you know,
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clubhouse, for example. I know
a lot of people are using that
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and and now that it's available on
Android, obviously it opens it up to
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a lot more people. So it's
a case where, as an entrepreneur,
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a lot of people think, will
I should get on that. It's like,
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okay, but you just launched your
podcast as well, and you're writing
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this blog post and you're doing this, you're doing it. It's like,
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what, what do you want to
do? You know what? What?
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What's the mission of Your Business,
or is an individual or where you work?
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What? What's your role? What
do you do? You know,
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try to be narrow in doing the
work that you do. I'm nothing against
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clubhouse. I've used it. I
know a colleagues of mine that are doing
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quite well with it. For me, it's like yeah, I mean it's
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something that may work, be something
beneficial for me. But again, when
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I look at my schedule, the
way that I have my schedule allocated,
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I looked and go, okay,
if I add that in, what am
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I taking away? Because I'm not
going to have it interrupt my self care
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or relaxation time. Not Cutting that
out. I did that before. I
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got two stints in my heart to
demonstrate that was the way used to do
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things. Won't do that again.
So you know, it's it boils down
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to. Not to make people negative, but for me a lot of things
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that come at me, my initial
default before I say anything, it's like,
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okay, the answer is no,
but let me look at it and
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a glance at it, because we
every time we say yes, is something
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one of course for saying no to
something else and it takes away from all
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the things we've said yes to.
So and it's easy to do because again,
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like I said a couple moments ago, everything that we do is entrepreneurs
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or people that we work with or
companies and all of that. A lot
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of ideas that come to mind are
great ideas, they're great concepts or yes,
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that would be amazing, but does
it fit with what we're doing right
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now. Is that where we should
be going? Because unless it's in great
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alignment with other things you're doing and
it doesn't take away from you and your
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time, you need to do your
your own wellbeing and be the best employee,
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your best business owner you can be, then you have to say,
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I can't do that right now,
even though it's amazing, I just can't
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do that right now. And a
lot of people are afraid because that fear
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of missing out kicks it's like,
if I don't start using clubhouse, what
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happens if somebody else does this and
they make millions, I lose out on
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that loan. You don't know that. And it's a case where if you're
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constantly shifting gears and grabbing on a
shiny objects, then again you'll of that
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desk full of unfinished things and then
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Today, when I think that's that's
a really good mindset piece, there
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is to say. Well, I
mean that I'm missing now, that's that's
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a scarcity mindset right, because you're
not there if you don't complete the task
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that you're doing, if you don't
get those done and finished. That that
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that piece. Then you won't accomplish
that and you're losing out from accomplishing that.
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So in that sense, I mean
if you're going to look at it
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in the scarcity piece, then yeah, you're missing out either way you go.
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So, but this idea that someone's
going to make millions there, four
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millions won't be available to me.
We had to stop thinking that way because
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it's always there and clubhouse. It's
a good it's a good piece. It's
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pretty cool on with you like and
I can see some pieces that I utilize
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in some aspects of my life with
it, but it did fit into that
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arena. Now I've had people talk
to me like you should get on this
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platform and that platform and this platform, like that's it's too many platforms.
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I let me, let me establish
this one and took talk in all that
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stuff. Whatever. If you're going
to be a talk if you're going to
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be on the Graham, they'll more
likely they're going to be there after you
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established this one social media and you
got get that going through it. So
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we had to stop thinking about this
idea that I'm going to miss out on
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stuff, because we're really not.
It's that there's so many individuals out there
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that this other individual who already got
millions isn't going to reach and their story
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is going to reach that person.
So that's that's a really good mindset piece
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to start thinking more of this growth
that I can get to, I can
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get to clubhouse and a few months
that's what. I'm done with this piece.
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And they're still be people there who
have never even heard of pass or
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let's clubhouse. There are people who
have no idea how to get on instagram
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or and there's they're learning just as
the way as you are. So it's
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it is a piece that will be
there in the future. So don't worry
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about it, just do what you
got to do and make it happen.
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Absolutely so. And so then the
mind pit set piece, because here this
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is, this is all great that
we're talking about. Right, let's shift
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this, let's shift that, let's
shift this. But we as humans,
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are we're going to habit like if
and if it's not something like you had
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this this heart attack that really shifted
everything, like it forced you to develop
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this new mindset and it weighed that
saying I'm shifting because I'm not going back
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here. But for those who haven't
had that, you know, catastrophic moment
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for themselves, it can't be easy
for them to say, all right,
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well, let me take the in
inventory, let me start scheduling this,
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because they just automatically switch into that
habitual state of working twelve, thirteen,
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fourteen, fifteen hours a day.
So what I mean how is how do
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they overcome that piece? Yeah,
it's a difficult one. Any habit,
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whether it's a new habit to do
something that's beneficial or habits that aren't serving
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you, it's pattern. It's difficult
to change those things. And hopefully you
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don't have a significant event such as
a cardick event or health scare or job
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loss or, you know, financial
difficulties, all those things that can really
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turn your life upside down. Hopefully
you can prevent those. But if there's
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things you want to make adjustments in
your life or change. A lot of
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people hear the word change and they
freak out, but you change is the
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only constant life. But a lot
of times I use the phrase adjustment because
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I think they go, okay,
I can adjust this and this. It's
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it's micro steps, it's it and
it's instead of saying, okay, well,
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I'm going to do this, I'm
going to lose the weight, I'm
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going to eat nothing but Kale Salads, I'm it all these dramatic things and
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they put all this pressure on themselves
to do that and you know, they
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weigh them and say they want to
lose weight, so they're gonna do all
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this. I'm going to do this, and they weigh themselves the next day
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and they gain two pounds and they're
like what? And but I ate nothing
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but Kale Salad and I had the
protein shake that tasted like dirt. Not
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all of them do. I drink
them. Then I have something that takes
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really good, but some of them
don't, but they'd. So they do
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all this and then like and they
get frustrated, like okay, I'm not
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seeing it's like, and I always
tell people it's like look, how long
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did it take you to get into
this pattern? You know, let's say
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you know you've been working too many
hours and you want to scale that back.
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Well, how long have you been
doing that? I've been doing that
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for three or four years. Okay, you're expecting to change that in a
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day or a week? You're putting
way too much pressure on yourself. He's
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into it. Celebrate those small victories. So if you're working those hours,
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we have to look and go Kay, what am I doing? And that
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goes back to that time tracking thing, which I'm easily able to do that
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because my first career was public accounting
and we build clients. So I had
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to keep track of you know,
every fifteen minutes or so. So I
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I know how to track time a
document really well. Most people don't.
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So it's just even starting with that, it's like, okay, what what
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tool would be easy for me to
keep track of my time? could be
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Google calendar, could be a piece
paper, whatever works for you. Figure
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out what that tool is and and
getting the habit of using it. But
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by analyzing your time and again looking
at how you're spending things, you can
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go okay, maybe instead of saying
okay, I want to, you know,
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reduce my hours from fifteen hours a
day down to let's say ten.
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Well, don't try to cut out
five. It wants increments, small increments,
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even if it's a half hour last, you know, send them alarm
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on your phone or, you know, just are on your computer. Just
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you try all small baby steps and
see what happens. What what likely happens
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is, especially those people that are
working those long hours, is it changes
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the directive, it and it changes
the basically the language of okay, I've
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got instead of this fifteen hour day, I'm going to work. I know
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today I'm only going to be working
twelve okay. So you get really focused
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on what you're doing and you start
getting pinpointing on those times where you're not
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necessarily focused and not necessarily working,
because anybody's working fifteen hour days unless they're
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doing like manual labor or something like
that. There are breaks in there,
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there are times where you're not doing
anything. You might be staring at your
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screen, you're checking emails, whatever. So you figure out, you get
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really efficient about how you're spending your
time and it cuts out a lot of
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the slack time where you're not necessarily
focused on things. Then you start noticing,
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okay, I'm getting a little bit
more efficient and doing this work,
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and then you can say okay,
now I'm going efficient this. Now let's
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try this, and you get more
efficient and that type of task and then
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you realize, wait a minute,
now that I've eliminated all these interruptions and
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I'm not checking my iphone all the
time, then okay, I'm getting this
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done a little bit quicker. And
next thing you know they're like wow,
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I just saved like two hours a
day just by making these adjustments. That's
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ten hours a week. That's huge. So the time is there. It's
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just a case of being more aware
of how you're spending your time, and
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then you get more clarity and you
get more deep focused on what you're working
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on. Again, going back to
the grouping of tasks and all of that,
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when you work on like tasks together, it's easy here for your brain
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and you because you're already in that
momentum of doing that kind of work.
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And then that way, you know, okay, on Tuesday's I work on
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spreadsheet reports. Right. Well,
then you know that's what you're going to
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be working on that day and you're
mentally prepared for it. You may hate
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it, but at least you know
that's what you're working on that day and
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you get through it. And again
there's efficiencies because it's it's basically hacking your
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time in a way and figuring out
what's important to you, what are the
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things you can work on together,
focus and just do that. You know,
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when you're working on a spreadsheet and
you're looking at your phone and you're
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playing on Tick Tock, are you
listening to music, or whatever the case
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may be, you're trying to do
five or six things at once. Certain
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are on it down and do one
thing at once and you'll realize that you'll
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get it done a lot faster and
likely a lot with more productivity and less
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errors, which means you won't be
spending as much time on it, which
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means you're not needing to put in
those long days as much because you're getting
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more efficient at the work you're doing. Yeah, when I think that's it's
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a crazy important point that we again, we try to take on too much
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to begin with, and so we
we that's what we do. We try
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to make the changes, we try
to take on too much, and so
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I love that. A little baby
steps and let's just implement this time change
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a little bit. And you know, if we cut off the interruptions like
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in why you were saying that.
The thing that really is or jepped out
519
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to me is that we we can
have open door policies and not make it
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happen like I have an open door
policy, you can come to me from
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this time to this time, because
my kids their schools right and that this
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is what I just hit me,
is that when covid happened, these teachers
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had to really adjust the way that
they did things and and they said,
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okay, I have open hours now, from this time to this time,
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and if you don't meet me in
there tomorrow is the same thing. And
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so what they really had to be
strict about when they could take those,
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those the kids as questions and talk
with the parents, because everything just shifted
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for them. And so that's that's
one way that we can look at things
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moving forward is like, okay,
well, what's this one little piece that
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I can do to free me the
time to work on this, to get
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me down to that twelve hours instead
of fifteen hours. And it seems hard
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at first, but is that awareness. So now we're aware of everything.
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This just this episode right now being
sent out to all these people going,
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all right, I have this awareness
of what I want to do. That
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awareness alone well trigger things when saying, all right, I need to work
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on this, and you'll find yourself
trying to slip into that. But because
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you're aware of that, you go
oh, okay, and then you can
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make that adjustment. You can make
that correction, but not when we're trying
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to do fifteen million things at once. It's just that one little item that
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we can do and then build upon
that. So it's that's that was a
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beautiful statement. Yeah, thank you. I know one of the biggest lies
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you ever hear in the work places. Do you have a minute? It
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won't be a minute, it's going
to be five minutes, ten minutes,
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fifteen minutes, which takes you off
of what you need to do. So
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that open door policy is is great, you know, but you know say
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it's open door between this time and
this time. That way it controls when
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you're available and when you're not,
so you can work on the things that
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you want to get done. And
those simple adjustments make a big, big
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difference and get you doing that deep
work like I talked about before, and
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you'll get mull likelihood. You're going
to get those things done faster if you're
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not bouncing around between ten different things. You're focusing on just getting that done.
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And when you do that and you
start doing that in every other aspect
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of all the things you work on, you're going to be more efficient,
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you're going to get things that's done
faster and you're going to have clarity around.
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00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.000
Okay, why did I get that
done so much faster? What did
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I learn? Anything by doing it
quicker without interruption that I can apply to
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other things that I'm working on next
thing. You know, you're getting a
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lot more done and less time and
you're not fatigued and wiped out from it,
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as you're not being pulled in eighteen
different directions. It's time blocking and
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minimizing your interruptions. Are, you
know, one and two, as far
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as you know, some of the
top things you can do to reduce stress
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and prevent burnout. Yeah, so
let's talk about your book format, because
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I want to make sure I get
that in there before that the new book
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and it's burnout proven. So I
wouldn't for readers. Are you just giving
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them these types of strategy, strategies
and tactics to really kind of help them
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with that? Yeah, I wrote
the book with the premise of to define
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what burnout is, and in the
book as well, I take the word
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burn out and I each letter in
the word burnout stands for something. So
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be is for boundaries, use for
unhappy, ours for rhythm and is for
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neglect. Oh, is for offside, you is upheaval, and then tea
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is for time, and I go
into detail on how all of those things
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impact stress and and create burnout in
your life if you don't have those things
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under control. And you know,
I talked about you know what burnout looks
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like, and then some things that
you can do to stop burnout, and
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it's tracks. The deeper work,
of course, is figuring out why you
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burned out the first place, and
that's where a lot of self reflection and
577
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working with people to kind of get
your head wrapped around what that looks like.
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And then I was supposed to release
this book a little over a year
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ago and then the pandemic hit,
and I'm glad that I waited because with
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the pandemic and working from home,
I realized, okay, I need to
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add a covid nineteen, or working
from home chapter to the book, which
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I did, which talks about the
burnout that we've seen and working from home
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and some things you can do to
help minimize that. In this hopefully temporary
584
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doesn't feel like temporary for many of
us, but I think in many cases
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we are turning that last lap,
basically, and heading for the finish line
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on this or at least something that's
going to be a little bit more resembling
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what normal was prior to the pandemic, and I think from that we'll see
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how things go. So the book
is written in such a way where it's
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it's a fairly quick read and that
was intentional because I didn't want to give
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somebody a five hundred page manifesto,
because most people won't read that type of
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a book unless it's a novel or
fiction or something like that, or Harry
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Potter book or whatever. They're not
going to read that because it's not it.
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This is more of a here's what
it is, here's some things you
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can do and here's the instructions.
Go and in, in implement those things,
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and the feedback that I received so
far has been it's been amazing to
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be able to make some changes in
ease my burnout, you know, as
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fast as they did, and that's
what the intent is. BURNOUT is one
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of those treadmills we think once we're
on it we can't get off of it
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quickly, but you actually can,
and the steps are fairly easy to reduce
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burnout in your life and be done
with it. But again, you know,
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the deeper work is to figure out
why you burned out in the first
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place and implement some things in your
life so you don't burn out again.
603
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I agree with you. I think
that people are we're getting back to somewhat
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up a normal state, at least
in some places. Some places are still
605
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kind of there. But I think
there's there's going to be two things and
606
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I think the book and what we're
talking about here is going to be key
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to both. So yes, if
we go back to work, it's a
608
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lot of that is Allevia, because
I think what covid did is it brought
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everything home. We didn't realize because, you know, we used to have
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be able to cut time off,
like worktime, family time. This time
611
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and that was all the same place
and we don't have these separate areas to
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go to it. So it was
really hard for a lot of us to
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transition into that. So now,
when people are able to go back to
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work, they can do that and
some of that Burnett will happen. But
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I feel like some organizations now have
realized the you know, we can do
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a lot of this stuff from home. So this is where the book and
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everything we're talking about is still key, because if this is going to be
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your new norm, then you really
need to figure out what we're talking about
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is, what are these things,
and let's take the inventory of our time
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and and what that looks like.
And then if we're experiencing burnout than here
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the steps to really to really take
that. And you're absolutely right. It's
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not a treadmill, this isn't a
it's not a rat. Well right,
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we can jump off rats, get
off the wheels all the time. So
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we can, we can do we
can do it too, and so it's
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just a beautiful thing. And so
I think, I think a book it
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and I'm gladuated because it is definitely
a need of point in the world today.
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So I a with the book and
then now with your you're speaking,
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because I want to talk about because
I want to make sure I cover everything
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that you do, because I know
you're resonating with people. You have to
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be in so, like if they
want, you know, like organizations or
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something. Are you know, my
employees are filling this burn I know they
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are, especially the covid know.
What are you? What are your speaking
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engagement look like? You do you
go to organizations? You just do.
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So tell me a little bit about
that. So people are, you know,
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within the organizations, are looking to
say I could really use Michael's help
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on this one or so how what
does that look like? I appreciate that.
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Yeah, I speak at conferences across
the globe. Of course, over
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the last couple of years it's been
virtual, but starting to do some in
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person things and which is is great. Didn't realize how much I'd miss it
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until till you don't get to do
it. But also going in to organizations
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and working with their teams on having
a burnout proof type organization. What are
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some things that they're goingization can do? And it's a communication thing between the
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employees and the in the management to
make sure that everyone's on the same page
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with what needs to be done and
everyone's fully aware. Okay, if that's
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what needs to be done, this
is what it will take. And do
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we have the resources now to do
all of that or do we need to
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realign some things and add here or, you know, make some adjustments in
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a couple areas? And again that's
a it's conversation that I have with the
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employers and with the employees, because
the last thing you want to do is
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consultants go in and and make all
the employees man at the managers. That's
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usually not how they want that to
end up. So it's a communication with
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both sides of the parties and I
do some one on one as well.
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You know, it all depends on
you know, you know what the situation
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is. I've worked with, as
we said in the onset, you know,
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fortune five hundred based executives and right
down to small business owners and their
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teams. Because my original career,
as I mentioned earlier, is public accounting.
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I did a lot of audits for
pretty much every type of organization under
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the Sun. So I have awareness
of what these organizations are like and some
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of the individual challenges that are particular
sector has that's different from others, but
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a lot of them have a lot
of similarities. And burnout, unfortunately,
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doesn't care what sector you're right,
it impacts everyone. So I love working
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with organizations and, you know,
making sure that their employees are healthy,
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because if they're healthy then they can
be productive in a way, they can
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make better products and services, and
that's what you and I is consumers and
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society reaps the benefits from that.
Is when employees are healthy then they're making
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better stuff, which means as consumers, you and I are getting better stuff
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and it just makes the world so
much better. So, you know,
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that's my mission to work with teams
and and, you know, speak at
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events to bring awareness to burn out
and help people get off of that treadmill
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and live a life that they deserve
to live. Yeah, awesome. That's
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that's that's awesome. So if people
will, will cover two things. Your
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one, because we're running we're getting
close time. So one, where can
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they get your book? And if
you too, if they want to utilize
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your services, how do they get
in touch with you? Yeah, the
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book. You can find it on
Amazon or Barnson Noble. I know you
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can order it online and Barns and
noble. I don't know if any stores
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have it yet. With pandemic all
of that, everything's print pretty much shifted
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to online, but you can order
it and have it deliver it to your
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local Barnson noble and Amazon, of
course you can order it there. And
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then to find me, breakfast leadershipcom
is the main site on most of the
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social media channels as well. If
you look under the letter be and then
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fast leadership. Don't put that on
a license plate, by the way,
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and you are you look up Hashtag
breakfast leadership. You can find me on
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most of the social media channels.
Be Happy to have a conversation with you.
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Awesome, Mikel want to thank you
so much. It was really I
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learned a lot in this conversation right
and, like I said, like I
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felt like you're here tch be because
these are things, some things that I
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was struggling with you and I know
that I'm not the only one. There's
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so many people out there. So
I'm so grateful that you took the time
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to come out and or come on
and and just share your stories, share
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your wisdom and your knowledge and and
I know people are going to going to
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benefit from it. So thank you
so much. Thank you very much.
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Appreciate it all right, and with
everybody else, I'm going to sign up,
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but we will be talking soon.
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