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Feeling Not Heard? - Cynthia Zhai

Feeling Not Heard? - Cynthia Zhai

There are many reasons why people feel like no one is truly hearing them. Cynthia is a singer but still had issues with her speaking voice conveying the message she wanted to get across. Have you ever experienced saying something in a meeting that got passed over and someone else saying the exact same thing and it was well received? You would be a candidate for what Cynthia teaches. She addresses things you would never think of here. If what she says resonates with you here is how you can reach her:

Youtube: Search Cynthia Voice Coach

www.powerfulexecutivevoice.com

Amazon books: Influence Through Voice

Public Speaking for Women

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:07.400 Hey, Dr g here. Thank you for listening to moving upstream without a 2 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:11.160 paddle. I would like to work with businesses, authors, coaches and the 3 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:16.039 like who understand the importance of shifting perspectives to obtain the results we're looking for, 4 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:20.239 and pleased to announce that moving up stream without a paddle is now offering 5 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:25.160 commercial spots to be aired during the episodes. If you believe your organization would 6 00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:29.239 benefit from advertising on the PODCAST, I would love to have you be a 7 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:34.280 part of this continuously growing show. Let's get connected and inspire the world together. 8 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:43.000 Yes, yes, indeed. And also afterwards, his confidence was growing 9 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:48.280 and I started to notice that he became happier as well. When he came 10 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:53.479 to me, because of the insecurity, he looked very depressed. So when 11 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:56.479 we finished working together, he was asking me, he said, some day, 12 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.600 what is the biggest change that you saw in me? He thought I 13 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:04.000 would say something about voice. What I said, the biggest change I saw 14 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:12.000 in you is that you're a happier. Hello, everybody, welcome back to 15 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:17.680 another episode of moving up stream without a paddle, and today I have another 16 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:21.519 amazing guest, but before I introduced her, I wanted to send out an 17 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.920 invite to all of you listeners who are in your personal development journey and you're 18 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:30.560 looking to get connected with some like minded individuals. So I created the moving 19 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:36.159 upstream without a paddle facebook group to be an extension of this podcast, connecting 20 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:40.599 us all together to share our winds, our struggles and everything else to uplift 21 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.200 the community and ourselves. So head on overord to facebook and look for moving 22 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:49.439 up stream without a paddle the group and get yourself plugged in Um. But 23 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:55.200 with that, today I'm excited to introduce Um my next guest, Cynthia, 24 00:01:55.239 --> 00:01:57.239 and I hope I don't budget her name. I should have asked you this 25 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:59.719 before this, but it's still earlier where I'm at and I haven't had enough. 26 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.400 You have, but Cynthia's I hopefully that's it. Cynthia is a voice 27 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:07.359 coach, a professional speaker, a best selling author. She's also a tech 28 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:10.639 speaker. She has helped professionals from four or six countries across six continents to 29 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:15.280 speak with a powerful voice. She has been a professional speaker and coach for 30 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:21.879 the past eighteen years and her engagement spans five contents in eighteen countries, and 31 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.639 we are blessed that she has landed from all those places right here on our 32 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:29.000 show today, and I'm excited to have this conversation with her, and that's 33 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:34.400 going to be coming up right after this. Welcome to moving up stream without 34 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:38.560 a paddle, the podcast that helps develop a mindset for success. I'm your 35 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.479 host, Dr Garrett Coggins, but most people call me Dr g now. 36 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:46.520 I've dedicated my life to helping others understand that if you have the proper mindset, 37 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:53.199 you can propel yourself up that proverbial stream with no paddle needing. After 38 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:57.439 constantly feeling like you're going against the flow, but you're never happy with your 39 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.840 results, it's really time to flip your I'd say. If that's something that 40 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:05.639 you're ready to do, you've come to the right place. Now let's get 41 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:23.520 to it. Hello, Cynthia, welcome to the show. Sure, thank 42 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:28.000 you for having me. Garrett. Did I say your last name? Last 43 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:34.120 name correctly, very close, so it's a instead of Z. is more 44 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:38.159 like a jade, so it's joy y. okay, okay. Should I 45 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:44.879 ask you? I Apologize. That's my fault problem. So I'm excited to 46 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:51.319 talk to you because you reached out to me from connecting with another guest I 47 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:57.280 had and I love that conversation, so I'm sure this one's gonna be just 48 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.719 as good. And you've just done a lot of up. So, if 49 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:02.680 you don't mind, I told like I told you before we started, I'd 50 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:08.199 love to give my guests just center stage and let them really talk about what 51 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.280 it is they do more in depth, why they do it and how the 52 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.520 journey to actually getting there. So if if you're okay with that, just 53 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:17.959 take the mic and let us fill us in on your journey. Sure, 54 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.879 thank you. So a lot of people always ask me, Oh, Cynthia, 55 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:27.759 how did you end up being a voice coach, so helping people speaking 56 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.639 speak with a powerful voice so that they can be heard? I said, 57 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:38.800 I always said, that it's because we teach what we needed to learn the 58 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:45.079 most, and the voice was, or to be heard, was one of 59 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:49.639 the areas that I was struggling the most. So when I graduated from school 60 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:55.319 and lending my very first job, I was not being heard, I was 61 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:59.800 not assertive, and that led me on a journey to discover how to be 62 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:05.160 more assertive, and one of the ways was to develop my speaking voice. 63 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:10.480 When I developed my speaking voice, then I realized, wow, there's still 64 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:15.480 difference between singing voice and speaking voice, because I used to perform singing and 65 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:19.519 so when I developed my speaking voice, I realized, wow, this is 66 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:25.680 not only I sound more powerful, but also I felt more powerful, and 67 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:30.639 that plan did a seat for me wanting to help more people to experience that. 68 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:35.600 But not until my very last job, last copy job, and I 69 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:41.160 was doing training on leadership and communication. So a lot of people started to 70 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:46.120 ask me how do I developed developed my voice. Then I realized, Oh, 71 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.120 this is not only that something I am passionate about, but also there's 72 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:57.360 a market need. So that's where everything started to come into place and I 73 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:04.079 finally decided to start my own business over eleven years ago. Wow, I 74 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:08.439 I had a problem with my voice too. It's not and I really still 75 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.879 do sometimes. Um, and there is there is a need, and I 76 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:19.879 think and I feel like people hesitate from telling their story, their journey, 77 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:26.639 the things that they're passionate about because they don't feel confident in their speaking voice 78 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.519 and that they can stand on stages or be on podcast or or, do 79 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:36.040 you know, any type of platform with with confidence and power. So when 80 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:43.000 you get those people, what's the starting point to really helping them tap into 81 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.879 because we all have the power we we do. It's just it's it's it's 82 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:48.680 an inherent piece of who we are. We just have to tap into it. 83 00:06:48.759 --> 00:06:53.720 So how what's the first step of you helping them actually realize that? 84 00:06:54.839 --> 00:07:00.240 M Hmm. So the first thing is that they they realize that by themselves 85 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:04.560 and because many of them that they are in meetings and they realized that when 86 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:11.279 they said something in meetings, no one had much response, but then later 87 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:16.439 on another guy or girl they said the same things, but they got very 88 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.839 good response. And sometimes, my client said, I was the first one 89 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:26.120 who came out the idea, but then all the credit went to that person. 90 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:30.040 So then they realized they were not heard, maybe because their voice was 91 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:36.000 soft or maybe because their voice doesn't have the GRAMOTAS. So that's where they 92 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:41.399 started to search whether they're the solution and then, luckily that they found the 93 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:46.399 solution. And well, what? So what is? If it's a trade 94 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.920 secret, don't give it away, but what is the solution like really, 95 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:53.839 if people are struggling with that, how do they how do they build that 96 00:07:53.959 --> 00:08:01.160 up? Okay, it's not a straight secret. Every one can develop that. 97 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:07.560 Like what you are also realizing that this is something that everyone can develop, 98 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:13.000 because there are a lot of untapped potentials in our voices. Like so, 99 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:18.600 when we developed the voice, we are developing the voice mechanism, which 100 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:24.120 is how you're projecting your voice. The potential. For example, the first 101 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:30.279 potential area is in breathing. A lot of people the default breathing is the 102 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:35.480 wrong, improper breathing. So if we can correct that, then you started 103 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:37.879 to be able to breathe properly, you started to breathing more air, you 104 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:43.720 started to use the other two thirds of your lung capacity. So the brass 105 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:48.080 determines the quality of the voice. When you develop your Braass, you're starting 106 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:52.919 to use your entire lung capacity. Then you can protect a stronger voice. 107 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:58.159 So that's the very first step that they can tap into and also, of 108 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:09.600 course, that yes, now you go ahead. Yes, yes, the 109 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:15.279 voice is also vibration. So that's one thing that I always emphasized to my 110 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:18.480 clients, as some voices vibration, if it's a vibration, is something that's 111 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:24.840 physical, that we can feel, and also it's very much like any musical 112 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:30.559 instrument. Do you see violin shallow? They all have a box, and 113 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.639 so we have boxes in our body as well, and when we started develop, 114 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:39.240 started to develop the boxes, then you see that the vibration will be 115 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:45.440 stronger, the sound will be stronger, and so we are really treating our 116 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:50.200 body like a musical instrument to develop. Did you did you since you were 117 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:54.840 a singer, and did you find it easier for you to transition into this, 118 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:00.399 the speaking voice, by just utilizing because there there are practices and things 119 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:05.919 that you do in vocal coach and the scene arena that I would imagine would 120 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:11.799 be very beneficial in the speaking aspect as well. MM HMM. There are 121 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.559 some similarities like, for example, breathing, for example using the voice to 122 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:22.600 sing, to protect the voice. But the difference is that, including the 123 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.720 old me that all singers and the old me that we were able to sing, 124 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:33.759 so called using the support of the diaphragm, but when we're speaking, 125 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:39.559 we couldn't make the transition automatically. So I had to learn how to use 126 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:43.480 the support of my diaphragm, develop more vibration in the body to speak. 127 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:50.720 So that's the difference. MM HMM. That's very, very interesting. So 128 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.720 they're okay, so with the breathing piece and they can and I love that 129 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.559 you're talking that it's as like a musical instruments. We have this box in 130 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:03.360 the vibrany and all that. It makes so much sense. But then how 131 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.679 do you when you have your clients? Is there a confidence issue? Because 132 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:11.679 even when you do the technical pieces right, we can get that, then 133 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:18.480 there's still the mental aspect of people. Really you know, just my my 134 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.240 own personal self when I was starting my journey, I was I couldn't talk 135 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:24.519 in front of people like I could get if I was at home. I 136 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.159 could practice the techniques and everything would be great, but you get me in 137 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:33.320 front of somebody in a in a business meeting or whatever that looked like, 138 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:37.600 and I was still timid because I had had a mental issue of actually speaking 139 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.440 in front of people. Yeah, that's right. So when we developed the 140 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:46.799 voice we developed I said I always tell my clients will give up two areas. 141 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.960 One day as the skill set, the still skill set, like the 142 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:56.120 voice mechanism, the other one that as the mindset, because a lot of 143 00:11:56.240 --> 00:12:01.320 times many of my clients they have devolved up the skill set, they have 144 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:07.360 a powerful voice, but something's holding them back. They're not using that in 145 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:13.279 minutes they are still waiting for their turn to speak. They are still not 146 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:18.080 speaking up because they are afraid that, oh what, how will people think 147 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:24.080 of what I say? Would I say it in the perfect way? UH, 148 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.039 will they? How will they judge me? Will they think that I'm 149 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:33.720 stupid or I'm not comfortable or being visible? So a lot of these mindset 150 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.440 blocks that are still holding them back from using the powerful voice they have developed. 151 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:48.559 Then we work on releasing those mental blocks. I would imagine that's that's 152 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.240 a harder work than than doing the skill the skill set, because I feel 153 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.919 like the skill set is just something that it's. It's so much it's it's 154 00:12:56.480 --> 00:13:01.879 you. We're trainable, right, but we hold onto these things, these 155 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:07.200 mental aspects, like like bad, bad luggage. We just we don't want 156 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.759 to let that go because we're comfortable where we're at and but to be, 157 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:13.360 you know, to get uncomfortable. That's where that growth piece is going to 158 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:18.000 happen. But I just imagine that, especially in vocal coaching, because we 159 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:24.159 can coach mindset in the business realm and just get your ideas of where you 160 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.720 can goal setting and all that. But you can goal set and achieve your 161 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:33.440 goals Um Inter personally. You can just do it by yourself. You don't 162 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:37.000 have to be out there, but when people I don't and I don't know 163 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:41.799 that if it's true or not, but the number one fear of anybody is 164 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.559 public speaking, speaking in front of people, and people would rather die than 165 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:52.440 do that. So I just see this as a tackling that mindset pieces as 166 00:13:52.639 --> 00:14:00.279 just the more challenging aspects for for possibly your clients. Yes, yes, 167 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:05.279 yeah, so that is something that we take quite some time to remove, 168 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.799 remove the blocks, and the good news is when you do develop the voice, 169 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.200 which is the voice mechanism, that is to work on the body. 170 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.000 So when we work on the body, it will help you grow your mind 171 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:24.480 in some ways as well. So that's the way work both ways. When 172 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.240 this body shapes the mind, working on the voice will change how you feel 173 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.159 about yourself. At the same time we'll also work on using the mind to 174 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:39.639 change so called change your body. Isn't it amazing? How the two are 175 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:43.200 we we we try to separate the two. Right, we have the body 176 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.399 and we have the mind, but they're one. They're one and the same 177 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.879 and when you work on one, you're working on the other. It's so 178 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:56.879 amazing. Yes, yes, so how do then okay, so do when 179 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:00.279 you have your when you're doing your clients, and I'm just trying to get 180 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.840 people who might be resonating with you at this point. What type of is 181 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:09.039 it? Just? Are you just teaching them to speak within UH, within 182 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:11.799 the business arena, because you, I mean, you've talked all over the 183 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.879 world, or are you really going to coaching them to be on stage and 184 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.679 doing that type of talk? And what is there a different approach between the 185 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:26.039 two? Okay, so most people, when they came to me, their 186 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:31.799 initial purpose was for their business, for their business purposes, like they want 187 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:37.679 to move up the letter incorporates or if their entrepreneurs, they want to speak 188 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:43.080 more, get in front of the audience. Is More. And by the 189 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:48.840 same time, I do started to notice as they started to improve their business, 190 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:56.679 their voice for business, their entire outlook started to become different as well. 191 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:00.600 They started to look very competent, they you, very confident, and 192 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.240 then they also started to share with me that in their family life they get 193 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:11.080 better relationships with their kids, with our spouses. So the confidence, the 194 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.399 happiness that we feel in one area will permanent into all the other areas of 195 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:22.320 our lives and I love that. I love that and I'm a firm believer 196 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:27.759 and I tell clients and and just friends, family, everybody that when you 197 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:33.240 when you build your life scripts right when you when you you have this idea 198 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:37.519 of what you your life you want to look like. And let's say one 199 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.080 of those is I want to have more of a powerful voice. And it's 200 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.840 just it's an amazing piece that when you work on one one aspect, if 201 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:48.559 when it's in line with every other aspect of your life, you'll see all 202 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:52.639 the other pieces just start to fall into place. And again, it's it's 203 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:57.039 that it's that tie between our mind and our body and every every aspect of 204 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.440 our lives. So the confidence that you build in one area is going to 205 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:06.279 give you confidence in the other. And you may not have extreme confidence, 206 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:10.559 but you're building it to a point, you know, where you can integrate 207 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:14.880 all that together. And I feel like people who are scared to share their 208 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:19.359 voice, and I've I've seen this time and time again where I don't want 209 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.799 to share my story, I don't I don't feel comfortable talking in front of 210 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:29.160 people, but when that happens, there's a huge shift in their entire being. 211 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:34.680 is in that that confidence I feel is like gives them Um the ground 212 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:41.960 to to really tackle and and and conquer all the a lot of those other 213 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.440 figures. Because again, if speaking in front of people, that number one 214 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.519 fear and you can tackle that, everything else just seems like it's a piece 215 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.559 of cake. Yes, yes, and uh so, one kind of mind. 216 00:17:53.799 --> 00:18:00.359 When he came to me he had very strong insecurity, insecurity about his 217 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.240 job. And then, of course there's insecurity about his job. Will Not 218 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:08.960 just stay in the job. He also started to have insecurity in his marriage. 219 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.359 Yeah, he was saying that my boss probably will fire me versuit. 220 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:19.079 That's a terrible state that you wanted to be in. And then he also 221 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:25.599 was worried that maybe that his wife would divorce him. So as we started 222 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.720 to work together, I started to notice that not only he started sound more 223 00:18:29.839 --> 00:18:36.720 confident and when he started to present, he started to present with more confidence. 224 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:40.680 And then there was once he was preventing to the CEO together with his 225 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:45.000 boss. After that presentation, his boss said in the future all presentation will 226 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:51.519 be done by you. I said, now you don't need to worry about 227 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:57.039 job security. Right, and and, but you're right. That self confidence 228 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.559 in the job because when you when you feel like you're and I don't know 229 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:03.799 if this is this could just be more of a of a man trait, 230 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:08.079 just because of how society wants men to be more of this, more of 231 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:17.319 a powerful individual. But when we don't feel like we're accomplishing things in in 232 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:22.839 our professional life, then we don't feel adequate and other aspects right, and 233 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.559 because we're taught that we're supposed to be the breadwinners and and, and that's 234 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:30.240 in today's society. That's so, it's such a force. It's not the 235 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:37.000 case anymore because women are taking more powerful places in the job force. And 236 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.119 so really it's this equality piece. But for some reason men have not shaken 237 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:45.119 this, the stigma of Oh, I need to be I need to be 238 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.880 this powerful person, and we feel lacking. But when you can when you 239 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.440 can tap in and understand again, we all men, women, all of 240 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:57.799 us, have this inherent power within us. Then we step into that and 241 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:02.279 again, the rest of our life, as aspects of our life, just 242 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:07.599 start to build up with with that confidence. Yes, yes, indeed. 243 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:14.200 And also afterwards his confidence was growing and I started to notice that he became 244 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:18.359 happier as well when he came to me, because of the insecurity. He 245 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:22.680 looked very depressed. So when we finished working together, he was asking me, 246 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.079 he said, say, what is the biggest change that you saw in 247 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:30.920 me? He thought I would say something about voice, but I said the 248 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:40.359 biggest change I saw in you is that you're happier. Well, that's so. 249 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:44.640 That's so amazing. How, how gratifying is that for you as a 250 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:51.799 coach, just to see that transition and how powerful that is for for your 251 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:56.519 clients, just to watch them grow and blossom into this, that their higher 252 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:03.079 self. Yeah, it's Um, I did that realized something profound until I 253 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:07.200 was sharing the story with a friend of mine. So I shared the story 254 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:11.799 with him and then he said, sent there, you're changing another person's life. 255 00:21:12.279 --> 00:21:15.559 I said, wow, I didn't think of that, but when you 256 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:22.119 said that I realized it was. And that's what keeps me going, what 257 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:27.519 motivates me to continue to do the work that I'm doing, knowing that I 258 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:34.920 can make such a difference in another person's life simply by giving them their voice. 259 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:42.680 Right, that's that's that's so amazing. So from once you once you 260 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:48.640 get your clients, they recognized now that now that they have their powerful voice 261 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:53.039 and and and everything in life is changing. Where where do you see them 262 00:21:53.960 --> 00:22:00.680 going from working with you? I mean, because I feel like once we 263 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.519 tap into something like that, we see that growth, we want more, 264 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:06.359 we want to continue on. So do you see your clients, you know, 265 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:11.200 really start to go from the meeting rooms to the stages, to bigger 266 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:15.279 platforms because because of the confidence and the abilities that you've been tapped with them? 267 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:21.160 Yes, so, I had clients after they have developed their voice. 268 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:29.720 UH, some of them they started to apply for jobs voice over. They 269 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:33.240 love their own voices. 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There's something you said, something that when we're talking about 295 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:55.839 this confidence, that that gets built built up within us when we would tap 296 00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:59.839 into that voice. I think that's why we don't like the sound of her 297 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.200 own voices. Is that is that lack of self confidence, that lack of 298 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:06.119 self esteem, and when we hear that, I think we we hear that 299 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:08.880 in our voice at first when it comes out, and that's why it's uncomfortable 300 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:12.480 for us, because we don't like that the feeling that's generating. So it's 301 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:19.240 it's very interesting that your clients, when they do get the power of their 302 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.839 voice, they're like, oh, my voice isn't actually like that, because 303 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:26.680 now they're feeling the power of who they are and it is really it's resonating 304 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:32.039 with them and these you know, that's a very interesting thing that you said 305 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:36.599 that I'd never thought about before, but I can see that being true to 306 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:42.640 many people who actually tap into that. So let's let's, let's switch gears 307 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.440 just a little bit, because you're an author and so I want let's talk 308 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.559 about your book, because I don't you didn't. You didn't send me the 309 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.559 title. So let's what's the title? What's it about? Who? Who 310 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.759 is? Who is the book? For sure, so the I have two 311 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:03.319 books. The first one is inflo through voice, so that's a book that 312 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:10.240 I wrote quite a few years ago, and for that book I took them 313 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:15.880 step by step to develop their voices, so including, for example, all 314 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:21.319 the power of the voice. Most people didn't even pay attention to the power 315 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:25.079 of the voice. So I spent some time to talk about the power of 316 00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:30.240 the voice and then also spend some time to talk about what can we hear 317 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:34.720 in the person's voice. So we think that Oh, we're just speaking, 318 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:41.000 but we can tell so much from a person's voice. For that reason, 319 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:44.960 sometimes people don't want to talk to me anymore. They said, okay, 320 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.680 now what I'm doing, whatever I'm saying, you can tell. I said 321 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.759 relaxed. Um, I'm not. I'm not listening to every single message signal 322 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:59.240 you're sending out. And that then it's the step by step like developing breathing, 323 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:04.839 developing projection, developing residents in the voice, and also how to use 324 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:11.160 their voice to convey and express emotions, because we know when we're speaking, 325 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:17.920 logic only makes people think. Emotion makes people take action. So when we 326 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:25.480 speak we need to cultivate emotion. So those are the important messages. From 327 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:32.240 the book influence through voice. They can find it on Amazon. They can 328 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:37.920 just go to Amazon and the searches influence through voices, and there they should 329 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.559 be able to find the book. And the second book is a book that 330 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:48.440 I co wrote with other women. It's about public speaking for women, but 331 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.480 it also applies to men. So in that book I wrote one chapter on 332 00:27:52.640 --> 00:28:00.400 voice. Okay, let's let's go back again, because in your first book 333 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:10.000 you talked about cultivating the emotion and Um. I love that piece because it's 334 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:15.480 the it's the and you said that the facts tell right, just the intellectual 335 00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.279 pieces, that just tells whatever, it just gives us facts, but it's 336 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:26.920 the it's the story that really draws the people in. Is that Um and 337 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.640 and a lot of people feel that they're not storytellers, right. So they 338 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.720 said, I can speak, I have I don't have a problem speaking, 339 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.200 but they feel like that's maybe that's the piece that they're they're not really tapped 340 00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:41.720 into. Is is really drawing them, the audience, into what they're trying 341 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.200 to say. And so it's interesting that you brought the story aspect up. 342 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:53.119 So how how do we develop that piece really, you know, doing the 343 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:57.119 inflection in our voice and really drawing people into what we're trying to say. 344 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.480 So I mean, is that? Is that trainable or is that just something 345 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:07.079 that people have? Yes, is trainable and of course there are people they 346 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:12.440 were born with it. That's where we have those very gifted actors and actresses. 347 00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.119 They were born with them. But the majority will need to develop it 348 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:25.640 because in our society, you see, we are valuing logics more than emotion 349 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:32.799 and we're probably told when we were young or sometime back in the days that 350 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:38.000 don't bring emotion to your work. So then we started to become very logical, 351 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:44.640 always stuff our emotions down with suppress our emotions, and over time everyone 352 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:49.119 speak with a monotonous voice, and a monotonous voice doesn't engage the audience and 353 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.599 of course, when you're telling stories with a monotonous voice, then the story 354 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:59.680 will fall flat. So that's something that we can develop, which is to 355 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.519 tap into the power in the right brain, which is emotions, colors, 356 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:11.839 images, creativity, nonlinear. Do you do you find Um? Because you've 357 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:18.160 you've spoken all over the world, basically. So do you find that when 358 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.359 Um? Culture plays a big part in in determining what people's voices are, 359 00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:30.680 because in America, where it's just so we're melting pots, so that the 360 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.319 culture is it's it's there. But I know when you go to different countries 361 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:41.079 there's there's a different stigma like you shouldn't speak out or you shouldn't do this 362 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.559 because, and I'm just going off, I'm not a world traveler. So, 363 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.680 but do you find culture has a big piece of play into developing someone's 364 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:56.279 voice? Yes, so, there there is a little bit impact. I 365 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.079 would say a little impact. Like, for example, what I mean Spain, 366 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:10.079 then people are very enthusiastic. Oh, law, they're more expressive and 367 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:15.680 uh, of course, in Asia people are more reserved. Uh So, 368 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.400 yeah, the culture does play a part, but at the same time also 369 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.920 even, for example, in Asia in general is very reserved, I still 370 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:30.119 find people who are very expressive. Of course the percentage is smaller concerned with 371 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:36.599 people, let's say, in Spain. Mm Hmm, very is very interesting. 372 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:45.359 What um when when someone comes to work with you? What is there 373 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.319 a time frame like? Is there do you do you like? Is it 374 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.839 is a six month process? Is a three month is it an immediate thing 375 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:56.400 that people start seeing? What? What's what's the ex what expectations should people 376 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:01.079 have when they're trying to do the work of developing their voice. That timeline 377 00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:07.039 expectation that they should have. Yes, yes, so when we're developing the 378 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:14.000 voice, because we're trying to retrain the body and also make everything they're learning 379 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.799 a habit. So that's why that, in order to form a habit, 380 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:22.160 it will take some time. There are three major habits we need to form 381 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.519 and to form that we take about a minimum of six months. So that's 382 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:32.119 usually how long my clients would need to develop their voice. Six months. 383 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:39.039 There are also clients who will take longer. Really it depends on how hard 384 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:44.160 it takes for them to break that habit right. So again, some we 385 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:47.400 like to hold onto those habits because we're made to be efficient. We're efficient 386 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:52.880 in what we're already doing, so trying to break that efficiency and become efficient 387 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:58.039 in something else's. So it's a process, and I asked that simply because 388 00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.119 we live in this. Everybody knows we live in this, this we call 389 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:07.400 the microwave society, where we want instantaneous results and we just want everything to 390 00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.240 be like this. But this, this is a process. It's always a 391 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:15.839 process when it comes to working on you as an individual and and some people 392 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.799 can flip that pretty quickly, but some people can't. And so, Um, 393 00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.839 I just want people to have this expectation that we're even with voice coaching, 394 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:28.720 we're getting past mindset pieces. We're getting past training our bodies to do 395 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:34.319 something that it's it hasn't been doing. And so first it's uncomfortable, then 396 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.599 you get you start to build the habit and then you tend to get the 397 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.720 mastery of it. But we can't expect that to happen overnight. Yeah, 398 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:47.279 that's right, that is unfortunately, that that is how people think nowadays. 399 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.880 We want instant gratification. A lot of my clients, when they started the 400 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:57.119 watch sex ones and I said you'll have been bringing in the wrong way for 401 00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:02.319 the past so many years. Six months is already short. And the breathing 402 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:08.400 like that, and that's a good point because again, we breathing is something 403 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:13.440 we do on a subconscious level. We don't constantly think about that. And 404 00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:16.840 so that is that walking and all those things that we do day and day 405 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:23.400 out. Um, that's a harder thing to shift because your your body is 406 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:29.559 just trained to do it and and whatever way it's been doing it all your 407 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.159 life. All right, this isn't something that is like you started breathing this 408 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:36.239 way at the age of eighteen, so you've only been doing that for four 409 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:38.679 years. All Your Life you've been breathing this way and if you haven't been 410 00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:45.599 trained to do it properly from from birth on, that's that retraining process. 411 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.440 That's going to take some time. Yeah, and also don't even mention that 412 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:54.840 as we started to get older, we have fixed mindset that, for example, 413 00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:59.480 a lot of my clients, one of the things is tension, stress. 414 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:05.480 So everyone experiences stress and tension. So when there's stress and tension in 415 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:09.960 the body, it makes breathing, makes voice projection, even harder. So 416 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:14.880 that's another thing we need to break, which is how learn how to relax. 417 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.280 So then some of my clients they realize. So just learn how to 418 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.880 relax. I need at least one month. Uh. And the other thing 419 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:29.519 is some of my clients, or many people, they are too much in 420 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.400 the head because we're logical, we're analytical, too much in the head. 421 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.239 But voice work is body work. We mentioned that use the body to change 422 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.760 the mind. When we work on the body. There are so many people 423 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:49.440 they just couldn't get into their body. They're so out of two with their 424 00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:54.440 body. So that will also take two or three months. Even if you're 425 00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:59.760 too much in the head, too analytical, it will take much longer. 426 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:08.880 M Are there exercises that people can do and and well, we're getting closer 427 00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:13.239 to the end here, but when we get even closer, all have let 428 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.760 you tell people how to contact you. But are there things that people can 429 00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:24.400 start doing now, like daily practices to start preparing themselves to to begin to 430 00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:29.679 change that the body piece that you're talking about, like just morning exercises, 431 00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:31.920 things that they can commit to every morning or every evening before they go to 432 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.679 bed? Yes, so one thing that I always ask my clients to do 433 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.840 is is very simple, but you see that simple doesn't mean it's easy. 434 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:49.079 So this is something people can do to relax themselves and also experience how it 435 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:55.480 feels like to protect the voice. And the exercise is to sign, just 436 00:36:55.639 --> 00:37:02.519 to make a joyful silence. So when we do that we are breeding out, 437 00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:07.760 we're releasing the tension and at the same time, you see when we're 438 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:13.440 saying there's no effort. It's the same for voice projection. When we project 439 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.400 our voice, no matter how big the audience is, we don't use more 440 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.800 effort. So most people think that, oh, in order to be heard, 441 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:22.519 to speak with a louder voice, I need to use more effort. 442 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:30.000 That's misconception. So that's how sign can help you, which is to relax 443 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:35.840 your body, released the tension. And some of my students in my workshops 444 00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.519 they after that. They did some research on sighing and realized that sign can 445 00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:47.719 imp uh, increase some positive hormones. So I think it was endorphin. 446 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.960 So one student she shared with me. So then even more her reasons for 447 00:37:54.079 --> 00:38:00.559 people to practice side. So that's one exsis we can do. That's very 448 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:07.039 interesting. And the that's that's that's very interesting and I but and I like 449 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:13.039 the we don't have to pray. And I think this is a singing thing 450 00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:20.400 too. So when people sing sometimes and they feel like they have to strain 451 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.440 their voices again, the effort piece that comes out. But that's that's not 452 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:29.360 the case. Like you can really be very powerful, but that's again with 453 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.239 the body training, learning to come from the Diaphragm and project your voice in 454 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.639 that way where it's it's not effort at this point. It actually comes very 455 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.559 naturally if you're doing it properly. It's really interesting that the more I'm having 456 00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.400 this conversation with you, and this is why I love having the podcasts, 457 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:51.159 because I learned, I learned so much that just what we think and in 458 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.840 mindset has a lot to do with it, right, but we we push 459 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:59.719 mindset a lot. Everything is mindset. But we still have to focus on 460 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:05.239 that percent of technique, of strategy and and we can't disregard that and what 461 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.840 the body is going to do. And I love how we're bringing in, 462 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:13.440 how you're bringing in this idea that as we work on that, the techniques 463 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:15.519 and the and the body just coming full circle here. That is going to 464 00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.360 help with our mindset is going to everything's going to shift and it really I 465 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.199 love this conversation we're having because it really does define the connectivity between the two 466 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:31.000 and how we're doing the technical work brings in the confidence in the mindset and 467 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:37.199 and just learning how to sigh and release the endorphins that just signed us for 468 00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:43.000 you. It's just I always am amazed about how we as a body right 469 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:46.840 are are. We're created to to just be able to generate all this stuff. 470 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:51.960 We have everything we need inherently again to do what it is that we 471 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.159 want to do. Yes, yes, and you see, that's what Yoga 472 00:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.519 practices are about. So we practice yoga, which is to work on the 473 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:07.679 body so that we can feel the peace of mind, and that's also working 474 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:13.000 on a body to affect the mind. The other thing is when we're working 475 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.480 on the voice, we do realize, for example, some of my clients, 476 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:21.599 they need to learn how to let go. So by working on the 477 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.119 body, then I realized, I said, the way you're doing things is 478 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:31.960 actually you're holding on very tight about control. You're also interrupting the natural voice 479 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:37.599 production process. So by the way they're doing the exercises, I can also 480 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:44.000 help them identify all the mindset blocks that are holding them so uh, for 481 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.960 example, or not able to letting go and not able to let go is 482 00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:53.639 one big mental block for a lot of people, and also trying to interfere 483 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.920 the natural process is another one. So they need to learn how to let 484 00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.760 go, how to let nature do its own work. Let I love that. 485 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:07.239 Let Nature do its own work, and that's a big thing. That's 486 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.960 a big thing I preach is that we again, we are created to do 487 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.039 certain things in certain ways and over time and over, you know, just 488 00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:22.480 just like a posture. Right. We've we've gotten lazy and so we we 489 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:24.639 hunch over, we don't, you know, expand our chest to let everything, 490 00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.440 all the energy, because this is really what we're talking about here. 491 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.079 We're all this stuff is really nothing more than an energy, but we're not 492 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:38.400 getting the full extent that that we were created to have because of the bad 493 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:44.199 habits that we've developed over, over, you know, generations. And so 494 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:50.519 this is really again bring into light. Just letting go can be as simple 495 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:55.320 as just adjusting ways of how you're functioning in your physical life, and not 496 00:41:55.519 --> 00:42:01.440 just necessarily the mindset, mental life. Yes, yes, and it is 497 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:07.519 also the society conditioning that we have been through. So now we need to 498 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.800 unlearn a lot of things, a lot of things, and that's what again, 499 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.960 that's why it takes not because because let's I mean we can go back 500 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.960 to the time, because we can't tackle we have a lot of things we 501 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.119 have to change and we can't tackle all of them at once. We have 502 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.679 to kind of that, but that would be way too much and it would 503 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.480 we would get so frustrated with ourselves. So we have to do this, 504 00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:34.599 and in steps, right and so Um, and that's why it's this is 505 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.320 a process and that's why it takes so long to really transition through this. 506 00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:45.239 But Um, this the the the idea that and it's it's society, it's 507 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.440 all these pieces are playing apart. And too where we're at today, and 508 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.480 we call it this our our programming, Um, paradigms, whatever you want 509 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.440 to look at it. But Um, we have to kind of figure out 510 00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.280 what those pieces are as well. And I, like I used to, 511 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:04.000 you can figure people's blocking, their mental blocking, by their their physical aspects, 512 00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:08.119 and that's Um again, that all ties into it. So this is 513 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:12.840 like why people need coaches, though, right, because they can read books 514 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.320 and they can do all the stuff and they can find information, like I'm 515 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.480 sure you did. You found information, you learn how to apply it. 516 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:23.639 But at some point we look at coaches. Going lead me through this to 517 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.800 a point, because I you know, coaches can look take this high level 518 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:34.320 view and and see what's going on with the let's Brown motivational speaker. Let's 519 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.599 let's Brown, he says, you can't see the picture from inside the frame. 520 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.159 That's that's kind of where we're at. We're trying to figure out what 521 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.440 we need to change, but we can't see that because we're too close to 522 00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.880 the picture. And so, like just having you as a coach at this 523 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.000 point can really take that high level of view and say, Oh, these 524 00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.480 are the blockers that I'm seeing, that's happening and if we can just adjust 525 00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:59.320 this and fine tune that, we can get your voice out to a way 526 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.920 that you've never imagined. Yeah, that's right. Some of my clients in 527 00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:07.599 the sessions then they were telling me, they said, I thought I knew 528 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:13.440 what I didn't know, but after working with you, I realized I didn't 529 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:17.280 even know what I didn't know. Right, and and that's but, and 530 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:22.199 it's a it's an amazing thing that awareness that happens. That's that awareness changes 531 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:28.519 everything once you become aware about what's going on. But again, sometimes you 532 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:34.679 need other people to gently point that out right because it's it's it's I don't 533 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.920 want to say it's the fault, but it's just something that needs to be 534 00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.199 adjusted. And so, but we will never know that until we have that 535 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:45.519 person who's trained and can see that. And so it's a beautiful thing that 536 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.039 that what you do for people, because, I mean, it is developing 537 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.679 your voice is it's a life changer. It will change every aspect of who 538 00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:01.360 you are, your entire being. Yes, that's right. So some of 539 00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:06.079 my clients they said, no, I realize I'm not just working on my 540 00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:13.800 voice but also elevate might being. Yeah, Cynthia, we're getting close to 541 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.960 time it this wasn't this was a very eye opening conversation for me. Again, 542 00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.079 like I said, or just earlier in our conversation, that I love 543 00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:27.119 this because I learned so much and now it's making me want to go research 544 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.400 some more on on, on other things. That a sign. I'm really 545 00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:32.559 curious about what all sign will do for you. But, Um, I 546 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.599 just I wanted to say I appreciate you so much for taking the time to 547 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.400 come on. But I'm sure that people are are who want to develop their 548 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:44.920 voice, because I think people also have a desire of passion. Like I 549 00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:46.760 really want to do that. I just don't think I can. But hearing 550 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.280 this, they know that they can and they would like to work with you. 551 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.239 How can they get in touch with you so to utilize your your coaching 552 00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:58.559 services? Sure, thank you for having me, first of all, and 553 00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:05.760 I enjoyed our conversation. You'll ask great questions and and so they can get 554 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.920 in touch with me in two main ways. One as they can go to 555 00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.599 my youtube channel. So on my youtube channel there are over two hundred videos 556 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:20.599 talking about voice and they can just go to youtube search, send their voice 557 00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.199 coach. They will be able to find the channel and right now we have 558 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:30.559 more than forty two thousand subscribers. So the listeners are welcome to become the 559 00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:35.840 next one. And so that's one channel or the other one as they can 560 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:40.039 go to my website. So on my website there's step by step videos, 561 00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:47.000 a series of videos, three part video series to help them uh and lead 562 00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:52.079 them to develop their voices. So, for example, breathing. We didn't 563 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.920 get to talk about the breathing exercises from the from the videos they will be 564 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:02.280 able to see the exercises and practice at so the videos really give them uh, 565 00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:07.000 step by step so that they can start to make changes in their voices. 566 00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:16.920 Already the website is powerful executive voice dot com. Powerful executive voice dot 567 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:23.280 com. So the three part free video series is on the homepage. Perfect, 568 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:27.599 perfect. I like that you get them free tools as well. Free 569 00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:30.079 is always good. I get people tapped in. Going on. I love 570 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.599 these changes now and I need more um but at least it gives them a 571 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:38.679 foundation to to get started and I'll put the Um your website in the podcast 572 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.599 notes and in the description of the lives so people know how to do that. 573 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.800 Again, Cynthia, it was. It was an amazing conversation. Um. 574 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.800 I knew it was going to be. You did not disappoint. I 575 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.920 thank you so much for taking the time, Um, to come on and 576 00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:58.800 share your knowledge with with the listeners, because I think the voice piece is 577 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.760 not something that comes up very often, but it's a again, it's everything's 578 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.519 connected, everything that we talked about on on the program it's all connected, 579 00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:13.199 and so we we have to work on ourselves holistically and I think even if 580 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.840 you don't feel like you want to be as a speaker or whatever, you 581 00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:21.000 can really benefit from developing your voice, Um, just when you go to 582 00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.599 networking events, right when you just out and whatever, your voice is going 583 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:29.840 to be a huge piece of of of your persona, of your brand, 584 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:32.199 of who you are. So I just appreciate you coming on taking the time 585 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.199 to, you know, again tell your wisdom and your knowledge, and it 586 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.599 was. It was just a great conversation. I guess I'll just leave at 587 00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:45.239 that. Yes, it is. Thank you very much as well for having 588 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:50.079 me absolutely and everybody else again, my listeners, I thank you so much 589 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:54.440 for always showing up. Being connected is the only way to really shift the 590 00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:58.159 mindset. Once you shift at once, if you don't stay connected, you 591 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.760 can often revert back. So I just appreciate you all for always showing him 592 00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:07.559 up and with that, we will have another conversation very soon. Thanks for 593 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:12.159 tuning in. 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